To be sick of the police!!

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Yet another one .... rapist ..before He even joined the force. WTAF is going on ?
You can't trust the very people that you are supposed to ! Add to that the failings of the police "force" dealing with Grace and Barnaby case recently and the awful disrespectful texts that we heard about .... and you just think what de hell is going on !! Unforgivable!

How long of that degree is spent on criminal law? In terms of legislation and case law etc? Genuinely interested.

Sorry for my typo as I said I've worked 20 shifts, proved my point though. Honestly what is your problem? You've not come across well at all in your posts. I won't be responding to you anymore it seems you want to be unpleasant rather than discuss anything.

It's all criminal law ! Rosie it's the job - we deal in criminal law !! We learn criminal law . We learn the definitions of each and every offence going .

I'm sorry I'm getting frustrated but this is a ridiculous thread and I'm glad for once I'm not the only police officer on it .

Why do you say you won't be responding - and then respond? 🙄

I do want to add that I completely respect the job you all do, it's not one I could do admittedly but I also find it very frustrating that no action is ever taken and how some (not all - but the ones I have dealt with) have absolutely no idea of the law.

I didn't say it before this post? I was advised by someone else not to bother but I was happy to discuss your views with you. As I said though, I won't be now.

Police study criminal law for 3 years.

I had a solicitor yesterday as a victim trying to tell me trespass is criminal law - a solicitor!!!! Trespass is civil law . We learn the difference.
Seems solicitors do not !

Then why do they always tell me wrong information then? Is it deliberate?

Great.😄

I can't answer that Rosie . I have no idea what you've e reported. And I have long since stopped freely giving advise via pm.

I refuse to do that anymore . Why the hell would I give advice to people on threads like this ? I used to . I used to help wherever I felt I could .

I don't now . People dig on here for dirt and to identify you . I've had this in real life . I've experienced this twice . No way am I giving advice anymore .

I forgot to add, you have told me upthread that you have to physically touch someone to assault them. That is not the definition of assault. You do not have to have physical contact at all to be charged with assault.

I understand it is frustrating for you but it's also frustrating for us who feel like we are always fobbed off and given wrong information on the law.

I understand that but I hope it's understandable why people are just so demoralised and genuinely upset how they are treated.

I won't report anything to the police again. Me and DH have said from now on we will sort things out ourselves.

The solicitor I dealt with as victim was a victim of a crime but wanted police to remove a tenant from a rental property which is firmly civil law .

I said I'll deal with the criminal offence. That's what police do . Deal with criminality. Not civil law .

And we deal with mental health , social work , counselling, and myriad of other things that should not fall within our remit . But we are the last port of call and can't say no .

Completely agree with you, that is civil law and needs to go through the courts for repossession and to instruct bailiffs etc.

Rosie I did not say you have to physically touch someone for it to be assault - putting a person in fear of violence is assault .
I have been a police officer 16 years and did the degree .

I said you were wrong that you said there is no offence of attempt gbh .

I've had enough now . I've got to work tomorrow.

You said assault means a push or a shove.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, it's just frustrating, which I appreciate it is from your side as well.

I've spent many nights crying over how police have treated me and my family member.

Yep it’s weird isn’t? It was Jean Charles de Menezes, and the outright lies they told to justify executing him, that first made me realise the Met was not a nice organisation and couldn’t be trusted. And then just so many other things after that have cemented that view. That and learning more about the met’s behaviour in the 70s/80s (before I lived in London). It’s just an avalanche of awful, self-serving, deceitful corrupt behaviour from them.

I wonder if it is lockdown that peaked a lot of people on here? Hearing about the police arresting people for drinking coffee while walking, and fining people for buying Easter eggs. If you haven’t experienced police harassment or aggression before, it can be a surprise when it is first targeted at you and you realise how they treat people.

Well all I can tell you is I treat people with respect , humility, kindness, compassion, and empathy.

The last bloke I pavad when single crewed and trying to get an angry mob back inside before they killed the bloke I pavad - I wiped his bloody snotty nose for him . He sent his deepest apologies to me the following day for being a drunken knob. I saved him from a kicking from his neighbours.

I carry tissues , cigarettes, and dog treats . They are my tools . Not my handcuffs or baton .

That is reassuring and I wish that all officers could be that way. Maybe it's just my local force or maybe I've just come across the bad eggs.

I genuinely couldn't do what you do so despite my disagreements with you on the law, I do respect the job you do and you have seen things that would traumatise me for life. It takes a special person to be able to do it.

I've only needed the assistance of the police once but it was a female officer I dealt with and she was awful in regards to the DV situation I was in.

Genuinely thank you Rosie .

It does hurt . These threads genuinely hurt me . When I think of the things I've done , the hours Ive worked over to see a job through , the victims I've helped and made friends for life of , the prisoners I've treated with respect and kindness no matter what they were accused of (could you be civil and kindly to a man accused of raping a 5 year old ?) the bits of people Ive scraped off the floor from under a HGV , the murder scenes , the child abuse cases , the animal abuse cases , and someone I felt deeply I could have helped given the right resources who died on me , who I knew from many previous experiences and who I had a real fondness for , I d spoken to her family , I'd tried to get her the right rehab , the right counselling, she called me her friend . I was devastated when she died . So young and so damaged. I traded her with absolute compassion and kindness, and she repaid it to me by always being good as gold with me even when she was in custody. I care so much about people. I've taken bloody dogs home and boxes of kittens . We see the very very worst of what's out there. I can't describe it . And for 16 years I've got up everyday and gone back to do it all again . I've held the mother of a SIDS death while she sobbed , ive seen every single thing g there is to see in this job , the suicides , the aftermath, the RTCs , the murders, assaults , it's not an easy job - the shifts ruin you , the pay is shite . Stsrting salary when I joined was 21k it's less now .

A PP said a similar thing about a female officer dealing with DV.
So depressing - one of the crimes you'd think they'd have your back with.

I currently have lodged a complaint over a false arrest by a male officer. The sargeant pushed me to make the complaint after studying the bodycam and no evidence for the arrest. Night in the cells for fuck all! It's also in the hands of my solicitor after severe bruising to one wrist from the handcuffs. Sadistic bastards!

Oh - and it killed my marriage. My husband didn't like police either . He was resentful that I was earning more , the shifts broke us . We'd been married 25 years. He had zero interest in what I was doing as long as the money came in . I recall a documentary about my force - my job - on bbc 2 . I said if he was interested in seeing what I did he should watch it .

He said "I'm not really interested to be honest " and that was the death of our marriage . I couldn't go home and tell him what I'd done that day . I couldn't tell him when a motorcycle collided with a hgv and I had to pick the dismembered leg up , or try and crawl under the cab to draw a chalk outline for traffic cops before they got there .

That's policing . It's hard . It's rewarding but the things you see no one can ever prepare you for and you can either do it , or you can't . And if you couldn't - spare a thought for those of us that do .