To be sick of the police!!

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Yet another one .... rapist ..before He even joined the force. WTAF is going on ?
You can't trust the very people that you are supposed to ! Add to that the failings of the police "force" dealing with Grace and Barnaby case recently and the awful disrespectful texts that we heard about .... and you just think what de hell is going on !! Unforgivable!

Not one of colleagues is not disgusted by police officers who are exposed as being criminals , abusers ,. The majority are not bad apples or corrupt . The majority do their best working the confines of the law .

What about the group of criminals gf duty cops who ran to the aid of a man being attacked with a machete and a dog , and without any personal protection equipment tackled him and detained him ?

No body takes into account the good that police do . They see only the bad . Yes I'm angry that the likes of couzens and their ilk are in the job at all - but they ARE being exposed now and weeded out .

I think the bbc particularly is very focused on being anti- even the investigation into Nicola bullock's disappearance was criticised by armchair detectives who knew nothing .

Most of my colleagues are diligent, if overworked and underpaid. Yes sometimes people don't do the best job - I've just picked one up that wasn't dealt with properly probably because the response officer just wanted to clear their massive crime list .

I'm not frontline and I still have 22 investigations on my crime list . Frontline regularly get given 60+ to deal with in the space of one set - 6 days ! It's impossible.

I'm not asking for sympathy. I chose the job and I'm proud to do it . The focus however , out of 44 forces and thousands of officers , is those very few that get investigated.

Can someone give me a source to the original complaint? Who did what?

Who said what about the grace and Barnaby case?

Here is one article ... many more.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-68335865.amp

Thanks. I guess they won't reveal what was said.

There are 170,000 police officers in the UK, and they will represent society so the chances are you will get rapists and thieves and racists among that number.

You would hope that the training would weed out a lot of those, and it does but inevitably a few get through.

On the disrespectful comments or texts, police have to deal with a lot of awful things, and one way of coping is with black humour that can so easily be misconstrued. I'm not saying being disrespectful is right or acceptable, but sometimes that is how people cope with what they have to deal with.

That is not to be mistaken for racist or sexist nastiness, totally different thing.

Great post. Couldn’t agree more!

I don't think many people understand the amount of work that's put onto one officer.

I am a senior leader within the Police Force and I too feel incredibly saddened to read these threads. I understand the widespread lack of trust and I am as horrified as any civilian with the many horrible stories of Police Officers who have committed crimes and abused their position. Equally I am saddened that our media are just so intent on furthering the lack of trust at every opportunity and, as is evidenced by this thread, so many people are just so easily led by what they read online or see on Facebook! But what makes me most sad is the belief and narrative portrayed by so many that every individual officer is corrupt. What about the 24 year old on my team who escorted a mother to hospital an hour away yesterday at 11pm to get her there quickly to be with her daughter who had been in a serious collision and then when the worst happened stayed supporting her until the husband got there so she wasn't alone, ending her shift at 3.30am when she had to get up for a school run at 7am before doing it all over again today. Or the detective on my team who put in a 22 hour shift on Tuesday to get a dangerous rapist charged and remanded, missing his sons birthday party. What about when you were tucking into Christmas dinner last year and I was counselling a young member of my team who had just spent 3 hours with a 5 year old who had found her mum hanging (having also cut down the poor woman and tried her best to save her life ). This job is slowly killing me, the demand is intense, the pressures and trauma we face absolutely unimaginable, we are all breaking a bit more each week to do our individual best to keep our communities safe. There are bad eggs, there are failings and things need to change but PLEASE don't make this personal to each and every one of us.

And I do understand the comparison drawn - so we have couzens - a serial rapist .

Couple of cops over the last 20 years gone down for murder .

Is that not comparable with nurses and doctors who kill ? Allot, shipman, letby.

A nurse at prison has just got 11 years for drug dealing to the inmates and having a relationship with one of the inmates who organised the drugs . Was caught with hundreds of thousands of pounds worth in ribena bottles .

What about the teachers who get sent down for assault - local one here just got a lengthy sentence for raping a 12 year old . Twice .

Dont hear about that on the bbc though do we ?

My point is for some reason - the police get slated as a group for the few who do wrong . That doesn't happen in other professions.

Why don't you go and join then if you know how easy it would be to be a good police officer?

The thing that really bothers me is the way it always turns out "everyone" knew what a bad egg they were and nothing was done. So you can say it's not all of them, I'm sure it's not, but the "good" ones aren't doing what's needed either.

Can I ask a question to the officers on the thread?

How come Police pick and choose what to arrest someone for and/or charge them? Even when someone has been harmed long term, possibly permanently (GBH), they don't want to know.

Was just curious if there was some rationale I'm not understanding.

@Devilshands From a legal perspective, it is impossible for a woman to commit the offence of rape.

I can't answer that because you give no circumstances.

Gbh is a section 18 assault - one down from manslaughter. If indeed a gbh is recorded as a crime the police CANNOT pick or choose whether to interview. There are two ways to
Obtain evidence by questioning however - pace 12 - arrest and interview or pace 9 , interview under caution as a voluntary attendee.

Then the matter would be referred to the crown prosecution service for a charging decision. Police do t decide what to charge with . The cps do that - not us .

Gbh is defined by the cps as a wound which goes through all 8 layers of skin . So a stabbing - gbh . Section 18 assault - either with intent or not .

Abh- that's a black eye or a tooth knocked out

Common assault- a push or shove without injury .

Can I make it very clear that the police do not have the power to decide on a charging decision other than for common assault .

All other offences and all domestic violence offences are referred to the crown prosecution service for a decision on whether to charge .

It can also be psychiatric harm.

They refuse to send it to the CPS.

I know that.

But they can commit serious assaults that, in the eyes of reasonable people, are tantamount to rape. So I’ll call it rape, thanks.

Can't tar everyone with the same brush !!! My friend is a police officer, she has lovely colleagues. Every time (thankfully not a lot) I've had to contact the police, I've always been helped/protected. Some bad apples in the bunch certainly, can't deny that (!) like with every profession under the sun! but the media will always focus on these stories as it is more sensational

What you do is your decision and nobody else can make that decision for you. But from reading this thread the impression I get is that those who are serving police officers are choosing to continue to defend the police rather than admit that there is something dreadfully wrong with the whole organisation - a fact that surely must be obvious to you and every currently serving officer? It's not a personal 'dig' at you or anyone else on here - it's simply stating the facts; it hasn't been plucked from the air, so why not admit it?

There's been things amiss for years, it's not new - and not helped in the Met's case by a succession of pretty dreadful top brass (good evening, Cressida), but you cannot deny that what has happened over the past few years - and is continuing - is appalling and hardly surprising that the public's respect for the police is largely at rock bottom. It's no longer the occasional bad apple in the barrel - it goes much deeper than that. You see, this is the problem: the police won't admit anything and you are simply perpetuating it and becoming part of the problem by doing the same. One police officer on here mentioned about facing people with knives and guns - yes, absolutely true it takes bravery to do that, but do you also consider that as a police officer you might one day be in the situation of needing help from the general public? Therefore the public need to have respect for what you represent. Otherwise they might turn the proverbial blind eye, too.

It's the old saying - 'it's the police who police the police' - and it's also pretty obvious that this needs to stop. There have been cover-ups and people looking in the other direction, not seeing what they don't want to see. And if if you don't think the police are still a protected species how in hell's name can you justify giving a police officer a final warning for sharing (sick joke?) information on social media (officer in the Grace, Barnaby & Ian murder case). The bloke's still in the job, for gawd's sake (not a bad pension and lump sum at the end, either?), when he should be charged with misconduct in public office, surely? So please stop being defensive and asking other people to make your decisions. That doesn't address the problem - it side-steps it, as do silly threats from another poster of 'if they went on strike you'd not have anyone to call on'. Basically, we haven't really got that now, have we?

I think there is a bit of a jump here.

Im not police, but some of my colleagues are arrogant or unpleasant. That doesn’t mean there’s grounds to fire or discipline them, less still to assume they’re rapists or murderers.

Surely it’s the same with police? Other officers may think certain colleagues are odd and unpleasant but still not have grounds to report them or believe they’re a danger to the public.

If they're being arrogant and unpleasant, in the role of police officer, they are a danger. They're certainly incompetent and not fit for the role.

Sorry but if you read my previous post I actually made it clear I wasn't denying anyone's experience and explained why I was offering my own. You seem unreasonably angry at me however without people like me willing to go to work everyday your children, friends and families would be far less safe. Who do you think investigates crimes committed against them and puts the thousands of people into prison everyday? I'd rather take the abuse from the public and know I was doing my bit than not but sometimes it's too much, I don't appreciate or want to be slagged off all the time. There's someone on my team who was beaten to a pulp by an ex, she could have slagger off the police forever but instead she put her trauma aside to help other people in that situation. Can you imagine how she feels when she dedicates her life to putting people like that in prison and people continue to just abuse us saying the police aren't fit for purpose, females are as bad, they love power etc? It's disgraceful and you cannot deny that. There's a reason people are getting defensive on this thread and that's because when you are giving so much of yourself day in day out ( hello literally 20 shifts in a row with rest days cancelled and no this isn't on a spectacularly rare department where only a few of us have this happening ) and take violence, abuse and so much pressure people like you who haven't experienced it having a go just cut that bit deeper.