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Calling all men

148 replies

CyclingSam · 22/02/2024 16:49

Is it unreasonable to share the following, specifically addressed to men and crossposted on a number of cycling forums, on a site largely populated by women, because I want their opinions as well?

On my ride yesterday I passed a woman by the side of the road. It happens. They are, after all, half the human race.

She'd been running. No matter, I'll talk to anyone if the opportunity presents itself: even non-cyclists.

I said this: "The roads around here." My full meaning, from one road user to another, was along the lines of "The roads sure are terrible, aren't they?", the context being the appalling stretch of tarmac I had just picked a careful line through.

She looked up, uncertain why I was talking to her. I noticed she appeared to be wearing headphones. She was also a bit younger than I'd first thought, maybe late teens or early 20s. She said "Pardon?"

I don't remember exactly how I replied, only that I hadn't meant to alarm her. She sort of smiled and that was that.

Except that wasn't that. I immediately mentally kicked myself for having disturbed her, on whatever level. That half smile could have meant anything from "You're so right, the bloody council, what are they like?" to "[Smile placates strange man.]"

It's normally fine to chat to people, half the human race included, on these chance encounters. But it's easy to forget, particularly when you're a man, that you should choose your moments carefully.

Example 1: Woman walking dog. Say "Hello!" to announce myself as a passing cyclist (I don't favour bells for this purpose: a little too pushy, despite the seemingly cheery Ring-ring!) A Hello! is always appreciated, judging by how often I'm thanked. The sex of the person never comes into it, other than perhaps a split second as they quickly grok the situation.

Example 2: The scenario presented above. It's unclear why this stranger is suddenly talking to you. While it can be cleared up quickly, it can just as quickly get awkward. Chalk up what they call a teachable moment in a lifetime of them. Every day is school day.

From The Guardian a few years ago:
Men must learn how to make women feel safe while exercising
It is unbelievable that Chris Boardman’s words can be so basic and obvious to female athletes and yet still so needed by men (Calling all men: this is what we can do to help women feel safe exercising in the dark, 30 October). Exercising solo, especially at night, is often a different experience for the two. One day last year I was cycling along the (very wide) Forth and Clyde canal; my fitness was great and I had a fine tailwind. I passed a man who had been dawdling, when suddenly he sped up and started slipstreaming me, within a couple of feet. This was in broad daylight, but the canal was empty.

I was worried in case he was somehow angered by me passing him, so I kept going for around 5km, after which my panic was really starting to interfere aerobically. I signalled that I was going to stop as he was so close to me, sat down on a bench and pulled out some food. He stopped too. “Thanks. I needed that,” he said, before asking me about the rest of my cycle. I refused to engage as I was recovering from the shock. A perfect example of how some men have no idea how intimidating their actions can be to women.

I'm not some knight in shining armour on a mission to protect all womenkind. I'm just a guy offering advice to other guys who may not have given this stuff much thought before.

Men must learn how to make women feel safe while exercising | Letters

Letters: Dr Kathy Dodworth says some men have no idea how intimidating their actions can be. Plus letters from Alison Chubb, David Winter, Frank Paice and Keith Irish

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/04/men-must-learn-how-to-make-women-feel-safe-while-exercising

OP posts:
Whatabouteryallaboutery · 22/02/2024 21:23

Are you Kevin from Motherland, OP?

timeooooout · 22/02/2024 21:25

Then imagine your surprise when she turned out to be a teenager.

Gosh. I'm shook.

Creep.

SaraZara · 22/02/2024 21:28

They always feel so chatty when it's an attractive young woman. Just ring the bell.

LizFromMotherland · 22/02/2024 21:35

Whatabouteryallaboutery · 22/02/2024 21:23

Are you Kevin from Motherland, OP?

😱🤣🤣🤣

blooblom · 22/02/2024 21:35

Also if you were cycling, wouldn't you have to actually stop your bike, pull up in front and attempt to talk at this woman? Surely you can't have had this level of conversation on a moving bicycle. Yea, you're a weirdo.

Lumiodes · 22/02/2024 21:39

Firstly you probably surprised her. She had headphones in, obviously didn’t notice you, and was slightly freaked out when she realised you’d sneaked up on her. In that situation I’d be taken aback too. Nobody likes being sneaked up on. Women find it especially unnerving.

Secondly, I’m autistic. People who speak to me in public freak me out. I don’t know you - why are you speaking to me? This woman was a stranger, you don’t know her personal situation. Maybe she was autistic like me. Maybe she has been a victim of assault in the past. Maybe she had another reason for not wanting to talk. Not everyone is open to having a conversation in public with a stranger.

mightydolphin · 22/02/2024 21:57

I think you're over-thinking the gender element. I don't think male or female runners will generally want to make small talk with a random man on his bike while exercising.

I cycle and run long-distances, I've never thought to attempt small talk with random people.

A nod is more than enough. That should be the key take away.

warmheartcoldfeet · 22/02/2024 21:59

MorningSunshineSparkles · 22/02/2024 21:11

Yeah I’d be creeped the hell out if you attempted to talk to me. Stay away, leave women alone.

Me too.

If you're cycling how the hell have you got chance to say hello to someone walking, why would they want you to say hello? I've literally never known anyone to do this and I live in an area with lots of cycle lanes and walk lanes side by side.

Just cycle on and stop being a weirdo. People don't go out to exercise to socialise, they go out to exercise to stay healthy

cookingwithabigail · 22/02/2024 22:11

Well this isn't going so well OP 😂

brunettemic · 22/02/2024 22:39

ADoggyDogWorld · 22/02/2024 19:15

Please don't talk to a runner running. You'll be interrupting breathing and pace/stride. A hello or a ding ding, fine. Wanting to engage in conversation, no.

Whilst I don’t disagree with not talking to the person your reason isn’t strictly true. Roughly 75-80% of running training should be at an easy pace, which should be a conversational pace.

ZellyFitzgerald · 22/02/2024 23:26

Leave women alone. Don't use us to practice your 'social animal skills' on.

The best way to make women feel safe whilst exercising is to leave them the hell alone.

Blackcats7 · 22/02/2024 23:49

Bell and a Hello would be helpful if you are passing someone on a horse. My hacks on my dear old pony were frequently made a bit scary by a cyclist zipping up behind us with no warning.
Horses are happier once they realise you are a human.

SheSaidHummingbird · 23/02/2024 00:00

Why do men write posts in this style? The wit, I can heardly contain myself.

Chumbawambs · 23/02/2024 00:01

@CyclingSam As a father and a man, I guess your post was directed at me. All I can say is I stopped reading halfway through you sound like a prat. You also sound like a creep, please stay well away from all women, my DD and DW.

You are no friend to women, please get on your tricycle keep peddling and stay well away from lone women. They are not there to keep you company or hone your social skills, you have none.

commonground · 23/02/2024 00:06

On my ride yesterday I passed a woman by the side of the road. It happens. They are, after all, half the human race.

Half the human race: 🙄🙄🙄

Februaryfeels · 23/02/2024 00:09

StopTheBusINeedAWeeWeeAWeeWeeBagOChips · 22/02/2024 19:43

The arrogance is breathtaking honestly.

Trying to tout yourself as some type of expert while simultaneously being exactly the same as every other ignorant man on the planet.

Is this hedge and school drop off poster?

CryptoFascist · 23/02/2024 00:12

Just ding your bell.

If I am walking alone and hear "hello" behind me from a man, my reaction is to freeze up, pick up my pace, and definitely NOT look round or engage in any way.

But you go ahead and keep telling everyone that your preference is the right way, by all means.

Gloriosaford · 23/02/2024 00:19

As said, runners generally dont welcome chats with passers by, would you flag someone down in a car for a chat? (I know that's not a direct analogy)
Man on a bike stopping others (who are also complete strangers) & trying to engage them in conversation- alarming⚠

HeartofSaturdayNight · 23/02/2024 00:26

I'm Team Bell because I have significant hearing loss. As I don't walk around with a Victorian ear horn hanging off my shell-like, you won't realise I can't hear you until it's too late.

I do wish the cyclists in my area (who've decided to suddenly cycle the narrow path ways in my local park) would be half as considerate as you're being here. Happy cycling!

Deathbyfluffy · 23/02/2024 00:29

Screamingabdabz · 22/02/2024 19:28

Funny how I never get men talking to me when I’m out and about. But I’m middle aged and fat and therefore completely invisible.

It’s only young fit women they’re interested in ‘chatting’ or giving their male wisdom to. Funny that.

Absolute nonsense, I talk to many people on my walks (if they give the impression they want a chat, obviously).

Perhaps you just give off bad vibes? If they’re anything like your post, I can see why.

StopTheBusINeedAWeeWeeAWeeWeeBagOChips · 23/02/2024 00:35

Deathbyfluffy · 23/02/2024 00:29

Absolute nonsense, I talk to many people on my walks (if they give the impression they want a chat, obviously).

Perhaps you just give off bad vibes? If they’re anything like your post, I can see why.

Ah look, a man, telling a woman that her lived experience is wrong, how refreshing, hardly ever see that.

FabFebHalfTerm · 23/02/2024 00:44

CyclingSam · 22/02/2024 17:31

The more eyeballs the better, but I can't stand reddit.

@CyclingSam

Have you considered journaling?

SocksAndTheCity · 23/02/2024 00:58

Februaryfeels · 23/02/2024 00:09

Is this hedge and school drop off poster?

I was just wondering that too. Imagine the surprise if he turned out to be a cyclist HmmGrin

For the avoidance of any doubt OP, if you ever run into me out in public, leave me the fuck alone. Since you have no idea who I am, maybe just leave all women the fuck alone, since 'social animal' is generally just a cover for being an annoying, boundary pushing cunt.

Whentherainisfallinginyourface · 23/02/2024 01:11

Chumbawambs · 23/02/2024 00:01

@CyclingSam As a father and a man, I guess your post was directed at me. All I can say is I stopped reading halfway through you sound like a prat. You also sound like a creep, please stay well away from all women, my DD and DW.

You are no friend to women, please get on your tricycle keep peddling and stay well away from lone women. They are not there to keep you company or hone your social skills, you have none.

^^ I think this is one of the best responses that I have ever read on Mumsnet 👏

TooraLoora · 23/02/2024 01:25

Did anybody else notice that all of his unwanted photos of the smiley people who---- love to stop and chat with the Op were all of men! Except for the one woman, who was on a tandem, with a man, so probably felt safe.