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Karen’s Diner/Katie Hopkins - cancel?

344 replies

RosaMoline · 16/02/2024 22:56

Quick question:
In the words of Mumsnet, AIBU?
It’s my eldest’s 30th this year, and as a surprise I’ve planned a day out for us on March 17th. We’re going to Hello Kitty cafe, Priscilla the Party and ending up in Karen’s Diner in Islington.
Some of you might know Karen’s from Social media. You basically get insulted and it looks very amusing.
I see from their insta, they’re doing some kind of collaboration with Katie Hopkins in their Manchester and Birmingham restaurants I think.
I am horrified and have left comments to that effect.
I actually feel that I want to cancel, and it’s a shame as it’s something we’d wanted to do for ages.
I however, cannot give my hard earned ££ to an organisation that is giving a platform to a racist right wing Trump supporting bigot.
Am I being unreasonable to cancel our reservation??

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coodawoodashooda · 17/02/2024 10:30

LovelyTheresa · 17/02/2024 10:11

If you like fascists, yes she is great. Otherwise, no.

Well if you don't get people disagreeing you won't need to wonder about fascism.

EasternStandard · 17/02/2024 10:33

I had no idea KH was still doing stuff in the same way

I looked to KD and KH and the latter has more followers so it’ll be for that

This op about a strongly worded email will give them more followers, that’s how it goes

Free publicity

Stillfalling · 17/02/2024 10:34

Bloody hell, OP, just read your updates. I regret my snarky pp now. There’s a lesson for me!

So rare for people to change their mind in response to alternative views, so good on you OP. You are a lion amongst people! You’ve restored my faith in humanity and made me realise I should stop defaulting to cynicism.

I really need to get off social media!

Zone2NorthLondon · 17/02/2024 10:39

Let Ms Hopkins et al speak freely,let’s all hear her intemperate bilious rants & challenge it
Her, Tate etc they all love been censored it validates their sense of conspiracy

NeedWineNow · 17/02/2024 10:41

Moier · 17/02/2024 10:26

I definitely wouldn't go.
I hate the whole " Karen " thing.
Imagine if you were called Karen or your friends were.. one of my friends now uses her middle name since the Karen bashing came out.

It's my real name and I'm getting to the point that I don't like to tell people that. It's bad enough that this sort of name baiting still exists but to know that there is an actual business where this sort of behaviour is encouraged - I despair.

Whenwillitgetwarm · 17/02/2024 10:49

LuluBlakey1 · 17/02/2024 10:21

I wonder what the world is coming to when I read stuff like this OP. Utter waste of money. Who goes to a restaurant where their speciality is insulting and being rude to guests and thinks it's some sort of treat? Why are you surprised they work with scum like Katie Hopkins- of course they do, that's her speciality too; she makes a living from stuff like this. Can't you see how tacky and vulgar and horrible this is as an entertainment. Or is it 'just banta', 'a bit of fun'? I think it's scummy and shows how much our cultural mores have shifted in recent years.
You really must not understand any of this at all if you are prepared to pay to experience people being insulted and then say you have an objection if Katie Hopkins is involved- it's all part of the same thing!
The next thing will be papers full of articles from people hurt by the insults, restaurants accused of 'insensitivity' 'going to far' 'isms - sexism, racism, ageism in their 'humour'.

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‘The next thing will be papers full of articles from people hurt by the insults, restaurants accused of 'insensitivity' 'going to far' 'isms - sexism, racism, ageism in their 'humour'.’

This. I remember when a couple ran to the DM complaining about a Frankie Boyle show. Apparently he’d make a joke about disabled people and they were angry as they had a disabled child. I’m guessing they were fine with his racist and homophobic jokes though, which is why they were there in the first place…

Whenwillitgetwarm · 17/02/2024 10:52

Jumpingthruhoops · 17/02/2024 10:23

I wouldn't bank on it. KH's popularity has grown significantly in recent years - she currently has over 600,000 followers on Instagram and her tours regularly sell out - because she's not afraid to say what many people are thinking.
Karen's wouldn't have hired her if there wasn't demand. But it's OK if it's not your thing. I'm sure if you cancel someone else will snap the table up.

Is she talking about how she enthusiastically supported Brexit which kicked off the ‘small boat’ issue? Or has she forgotten all about that and is blaming the government for the issue saying its not being right wing Brexity enough?

She’s a cynical grifter and the people who support her are thick as pig shit.

Jellyx · 17/02/2024 11:05

coodawoodashooda · 16/02/2024 22:59

Katie Hopkins is alright.

Agree. Not sure why she's so controversial - have you seen her recent stuff. I love her now.

Jumpingthruhoops · 17/02/2024 11:15

Stillfalling · 17/02/2024 10:30

Unless KH believes the individual must be subsumed to the demands of the state, which I very much doubt she does, she’s not a fascist.

Indeed. There have however been lots of people who HAVE believed/said exactly that this past few years that KH has challenged vehemently.
An example of this would be when she was touring NYC during the pandemic, after the city had mandated Covid passports to dine inside restaurants.
Lots of people were loudly in support of this policy. KH, however, had identified an unfortunate consequence of the fact that uptake of the jab among African-Americans at that time was low - so there was a clear disparity in those sitting comfortably 'inside'... and those dining in the cold 'outside' on the street.
She commented on how utterly vile this was - which it is. Yet she's a fascist and a racist apparently 🤔

PeggyPoggleshaw · 17/02/2024 11:17

Whenwillitgetwarm · 17/02/2024 10:52

Is she talking about how she enthusiastically supported Brexit which kicked off the ‘small boat’ issue? Or has she forgotten all about that and is blaming the government for the issue saying its not being right wing Brexity enough?

She’s a cynical grifter and the people who support her are thick as pig shit.

I don't particularly like KH but anyone who winds up the far-left lunatics is fine by me.

crumblingschools · 17/02/2024 11:21

KH said we should set gunships onto refugees.

Jumpingthruhoops · 17/02/2024 11:22

This! 👏👏 She certainly has an acerbic style of delivery but much of what she says is spot on.

Jumpingthruhoops · 17/02/2024 11:28

Whenwillitgetwarm · 17/02/2024 10:52

Is she talking about how she enthusiastically supported Brexit which kicked off the ‘small boat’ issue? Or has she forgotten all about that and is blaming the government for the issue saying its not being right wing Brexity enough?

She’s a cynical grifter and the people who support her are thick as pig shit.

I don't know off the top of my head. I would assume those condemning her would be doing so on the basis of having actually watched her content for themselves. Only then can they really make an informed opinion.

As far as I'm concerned, it's people who haven't done that who are 'thick as pig shit'.

Isitautumnyet23 · 17/02/2024 11:29

Can’t see the appeal of Karen’s diner at all. I’ve seen clips on SM and it was so unfunny. Forced laughter by the customers and the insults weren’t amusing at all (and im happy to watch a decent comedian take the piss out of people when done well!). Teaming up with Katie Hopkins is even more of a reason to cancel. Vile person.

quantumbutterfly · 17/02/2024 11:31

you're gluttons for punishment by the sound of your plans, surely supporting Katie would fit your masochistic ethos.

You can dine out on the day fondly for years to come.

NecessaryNC24 · 17/02/2024 11:31

coodawoodashooda · 16/02/2024 22:59

Katie Hopkins is alright.

I think she's alright too, though she'd probably consider me a lentil-weaving leftie Grin.

quantumbutterfly · 17/02/2024 11:34

CharSiu · 16/02/2024 23:25

@LadyWithLapdog it was called Wong Kei , I’m actually Chinese and didn’t want to go but my friends insisted, this would have have been about 25 years ago. The food was crap, I found it all deeply uncomfortable. No idea if it is still there.

I think the Karen’s diner thing is just awful.

I never found them rude but I'm British I probably would have apologised for my own rudeness.

Isitautumnyet23 · 17/02/2024 11:35

crumblingschools · 17/02/2024 11:21

KH said we should set gunships onto refugees.

And likes to make fun of a man who has just died in his 50’s, leaving his wife and 2 teenage children, purely because his wife spoke out about his ordeal on tv. I wonder if KH could work on a breakfast show and care for her severely ill husband. She is the absolute lowest of the low. She makes me feel sick.

quantumbutterfly · 17/02/2024 11:37

galliverstravels · 17/02/2024 01:21

As others have pointed out, the name Karen has been dragged through the mud for years by this point. It is awful how embarrassed and low genuine people named Karen have begun to feel when doing something as simple as giving their name when asked. Why anyone would find it amusing to poke further fun at that is just bizarre. If that's really your sense of humour you really need to have a rethink and consider the actual impact places like Karen's Diner are having on the real people with the name (not me I should add, but someone very dear to me)
No doubt you won't care either way so I suggest you try this and then do a bit more thinking. Try putting your child's name, your partner's, your mum's, your dad's, your own. Then consider that's every single day for years and years and then they open a restaurant to really drive the point home.

karenismyname.org/renamer

yep

moose62 · 17/02/2024 11:44

CharSiu · 16/02/2024 23:25

@LadyWithLapdog it was called Wong Kei , I’m actually Chinese and didn’t want to go but my friends insisted, this would have have been about 25 years ago. The food was crap, I found it all deeply uncomfortable. No idea if it is still there.

I think the Karen’s diner thing is just awful.

Yes, it is still there. I think it is under new management because although they gave me the bill before I asked for it, no one was rude, just no frills. Place was packed so the food has probably improved.

SherbetDips · 17/02/2024 11:45

@Whenwillitgetwarm what an odd response. Are you drunk.

NecessaryNC24 · 17/02/2024 11:47

Her views tend to be polarising and often quite far from my own but what she does highlight to me is how important Free Speech is, how lucky we are to have it ( just..) in the UK. And that I approve of.

SherbetDips · 17/02/2024 11:47

Updownleftandright · 17/02/2024 06:49

It's not a wind up, it's Katie! Hello Katie, so glad you could drop by. 👋

Maybe less daytime drinking for you. I’m not saying I agree with everything that she says. But she’s pretty spot on most of the time.

BestBadger · 17/02/2024 11:47

RosaMoline · 16/02/2024 23:03

In what way?!

I think it's a typo and they meant far-right.

AmusedMaker · 17/02/2024 11:47

Why do people who literally hate KH read everything she says and follow her on Twitter?

if someone really annoyed me i wouldn’t read what they post.
Another forum I’m on people hate Nigel Farage yet know everything about him, watch him on GB news etc etc. then go on social media & moan about him. It’s like an obsession.