My husband still thinks everything is because of Covid

[Woman355]

Sorry, I didn't know how to word the title.

His attitude is making me want a divorce. Ever since Covid he's adopted views which I completely disagree with and I think he's verging on conspiracy theory.

I just mentioned to him this evening that Chris Hoy has cancer.

Instantly he said "that's because of the Covid vaccine."

WHAT???

I'm actually so angry because he genuinely believes he's right and I'm wrong.

Everything that goes wrong is because of the vaccine.

Wwyd in this situation?

I know someone like this, couldn't have a conversation without it being brought up by her in the end I just told her straight.. I know someone who died from covid and I find this conversation really disrespectful, think what you want but please don't bring it up around me.
Would that work with your husband?

As a pp has already written, conspiracy theorists often want someone/something to blame. They can’t accept that some things just happen.

I was diagnosed with cancer two years ago and yes, I have been vaccinated. Nobody in my family has ever had this cancer before. I don’t fit the typical profile of someone with this type of cancer. I asked my oncologist why I had developed it? Had I done something that could have caused it? His answer. Bad luck. That’s all it is, really bad luck. Some people just can’t accept that answer.

This is why debate with CTs is entirely pointless.

I think that was Charlotte989 who said that as it relates to what Mrspatmoresspoon quoted, but there's so many holes in the thread now it's hard to tell.

I think everyone needs a healthy dose of cynicism...to stop blindly believing politicians and 'experts' and take an objective view. Cant believe people continue to blindly follow politicians and people with a vested interest in the narratives of Covid...'climate change' and the idea that an ageing population somehow means we don't have our own younger generation worth investing in and have to import more people...🙄

@taxguru

"But cancer certainly isn't! People got cancer before covid so I don't understand the logic (there is none) of the OP's hubbie thinking the vaccine caused cancer!"

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The vaccine certainly did not cause cancer. However the lockdowns and difficulty of getting doctors appointments meant that there were many cases of cancer that were not picked up in early stages reducing chances of survival and many diagnosed cancer patients that had their treatments delayed or postponed also reducing their chances of survival.

OP your husband is suffering from confirmation bias. Unfortunately what he’s chosen to fixate on is ambiguous enough that you can’t prove him wrong as much as he can’t prove he’s right. It’s how cults and grifts work. They only have to convince you then you’ll do the work for them.

leaves me wondering what on earth was causing heart problems and cancer before mRNA vaccines but there we go. We mustn’t bring up the obvious flaws in their logic, or rather shouldn’t waste our breath.

But even when you get easy access to GPs, they make diagnostic mistakes.

My OH had no problem getting GP appointments back in 2015/6/7 for various strange health issues after decades of never seeing a GP at all. He was constantly fobbed off. It was only when he saw a random locum GP in 2018 that she arranged for a rare blood test, which came up showing a very rare form of cancer! All the usual GPs had missed it and dismissed his various ailments, but when you research the symptoms and side effects of his cancer, it was text-book obvious what it was.

I've no doubt that lack of access to GPs has caused missed and late diagnosis, but it was happening anyway before covid and before GPs were working from home etc. I'm sure it's worse now, but it's not all because of covid. Covid has just increased the problem of late diagnosis.

@taxguru

"I'm sure it's worse now, but it's not all because of covid. Covid has just increased the problem of late diagnosis."

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I fully agree, it is not Covid or the vaccine that causes cancer, as we know cancer has always been in existence.

It is just that the lockdowns and restrictions reduced early diagnosis and delayed treatments - both of which reduced cancer survival rates.

I think it's because they weren't political tools

I don't believe in so-called net zero as a solution to anything and I don't believe in attacking people with opinions, preferring to discuss arguments presented.

Your post says more about you than it does me. No forecasts made by natural process deniers have occurred.

Just tell him he's a daft twat

If it’s cock up or conspiracy- it’s cock up every time.

Climate change deniers really have their heads in the sand. It doesn’t take a scientist to see what is going on around us.

OP - poor you. DH got stuck next to a guy at dinner the other week who was telling him about Bill Gates and microchips being injected into people. DH has worked in various tech his whole career and was trying to tell him it’s impossible to inject microchips into people through the vaccine 😂 DH kept trying to change the subject but this guy really wanted to talk about it for the whole of dinner!

i can’t imagine having to live with someone with these ideas - it seems impossible for them to see things differently and these discussions just get so tedious…I don’t have any solution for you, just sending you my sympathy

'no forecasts made by natural process deniers' please explain what that sentence even means. @Larmani

I think Chat GP is having an off day 😉. The replies from the CT’s all seem very similar in style. Perhaps they have a cut and paste user manual?

But this is nuts.

A colleague is like this, if we are ill, it's because we were stupid and had the jabs. They were designed to make us ill yada, yada. If he is ill, it's because he drinks too much, eats rubbish, and doesn't look after himself.
Full into rabbit hole of all 'alternative reality'. He doesn't accept they are conspiracy.

God this thread is annoying.

If being married to a conspiracy theorist is like this then I would be calling a solicitor.

@Comtesse I had a few friends drink the KoolAid and it’s not worth arguing.

They’re generally type who think they have some kind of special insight which masks their intellectual insecurity.

So many people are afraid to say ‘I don’t know’ or ‘I don’t understand’ - I think the acceptance of conspiracy theories is an extension of this.

I have friends with different politics from me, a wide variety of jobs, different intellect, different ambitions.

Not one of them would view the batshittery of a ‘Dr John’ video and think ‘he’s talking sense’ - the lack of ability to dissect the ludicrous claims therein has me really worried for a significant minority of people.

@MamaAlwaysknowsbest The OP's husband will have consequences for spouting his conspiracy theories if the OP leaves him.

See again the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Some people simply don’t understand that they don’t understand.

Teachers see it all the time.
You explain something like long multiplication and set the class off doing a task.
Then you ask them to put their books in one of three trays, ‘I’ve completely understood’, ‘I think I understand’ and ‘I really don’t have a clue’. The ones who really get it will put their books in the first tray, but also so will the ones who didn’t get it at all, but didn’t realise that they didn’t understand. They are happy that they have got an answer for all the questions even though the answers are completely wrong, but they can’t see they are completely wrong because they think they understand.

This is the argument that is usually followed up by the conspirator with a load of bile and bull.

Unless we’re all committed to studying to degree level the nuts and bolts of everything we hold an opinion on then we’re all trusting in someone else’s knowledge and experience. It’s the foundation of civilisation - standing on the shoulders of giants and all that.

The conspirator is completely unable to admit this to themselves and would rather have a football match slanging match and rabidly tell you to ‘do your own research ‘.