My husband still thinks everything is because of Covid

[Woman355]

Sorry, I didn't know how to word the title.

His attitude is making me want a divorce. Ever since Covid he's adopted views which I completely disagree with and I think he's verging on conspiracy theory.

I just mentioned to him this evening that Chris Hoy has cancer.

Instantly he said "that's because of the Covid vaccine."

WHAT???

I'm actually so angry because he genuinely believes he's right and I'm wrong.

Everything that goes wrong is because of the vaccine.

Wwyd in this situation?

So you would believe it could be possible were it a warehouse but since its a pizza place then it can't be true?

As we've seen with other cases - Marc Dutroux is another example - it can take decades for such networks to be exposed.

Your entire argument rests on placing faith in authorities and institutions to do their jobs and be free from corruption, which we know isn't the default.

So you would believe it could be possible were it a warehouse but since its a pizza place then it can't be true?

What are you talking about ‘warehouses’ for?

You seem as bemused by your own posts as I am: I asked because you specifically mentioned the fact that the physical location of the business is a pizza restaurant; clearly you find that in some way relevant to the truth of the claims. You mentioned it as though that, in itself, meant they couldn't be true.

So my question is would the claims be in themselves more credible to you were the location a warehouse, church, school, house, or whatever?

What relevance does the physical location have?

Sweet fucking Jesus.

My post referenced the pizza place because I was confirming that’s what you were talking about.

I think that given there are no confirmed victims who have come forward, no evidence, at a time when the world understands the context of csa and grooming, it’s not true.

It’s like playing chess with a pigeon ‘no matter what you do it’ll knock over all the pieces, shit on the board and then strut about like it’s won’.

@MadeOfAllWork I literally thought exactly the same. Imagine what it must be like to be friends with these people.

If you needed to confirm you could have just re-read the post. Which I think you know. You intended to suggest that the location somehow makes the claim less credible.

Rotherham, Saville, the church - authorities were complicit or failed and there were "no confirmed" victims for decades.

Rotherham, Saville, the church - authorities were complicit or failed and there were "no confirmed" victims for decades.

But the fact of it was covered up. When the actual reports came out victims started to forward.

There were no news reports for years stating ‘girls are being groomed and abused in Rotherham’ with no victims.

This has been doing the rounds for 8 years and still no victims.

Surely you can see the difference?

The ages of the victims are different, which will have an effect. We perhaps wouldn't see them come forward for 10 or 15 years.

But if your position is one of blanket credulity (and belief in the infallibility of) what have proven to be ineffective, corrupt, and at times actively complicit organisations and institutions then I suspect that further conversation won't be productive.

@Merryoldgoat

Also the fact that a couple posts ago you apparently had to "confirm what you're talking about" and were unsure of what and who the claims centered on, but now claim to know the timeline of events suggests that you're highly disingenuous and unsuccessfully trying to play the smartass.

So your position is that even after international awareness and investigation have no identified victims and found no proof, it’s still true?

You’re quite right @Lea3 . Absolutely nothing to be gained from further discourse.

My position is it's a possibility; there's enough information to warrant suspicion. I wouldn't leave my children alone with the people involved - James Alefantis etc.

You and I have no idea about the investigation which did or didn't take place. But it certainly wasn't done at an "international" level. Our media can't even expose hundreds of girls being abused in our own cities for years on end. Whatever they had to say about these allegations would be worthless.

There's plenty of examples of instances where "The Science" or "The Experts" have made mistakes. From the thalidomide tragedy, to the misguided dietary fat recommendations that prevailed for years, to the replication crisis, it's evident that even the most prestigious scientific institutions and authorities aren't immune to error, nor corruption.

@Lea3

ok, but to use that as an unbiased starting point/foundation you have to take into consideration all the times that science/experts have been unquestionably right and/or not corrupt. Instances of those stack up toweringly against the list of accusations and evidenced instances when they have been.

On balance it’s a crazy point to labour. yes they might be wrong, yes they might have chucked ethics in the bin but in the absence of absolute proof the statistics don’t really suggest that will be the case.

To be so invested at a point where an opinion hinges on the arguments of people who don’t tend to have the access or the knowledge to fully explore the data to back up their theories that have already been debunked by large numbers of their peers just isn’t rational.

Essentially he is literally hooked on the drama and the conflict. From experience if you have low sense of esteem it gives you a sense of power in a world that you think is out of control. Therefore everyone who disagrees with them or even engages with them about a subject they feel they have "specialist" knowledge on is addictive because its giving them power.

Grey rock it. Practice a neutral face when placing boundaries "you know I disagree with this, I will not speak about this again" and then walk out when they bring it up (just for your sanity).

However I would first deal with your actual anger about it, get to a point where it won't be triggered and then it will be easier to manage and it will fade out to just noise.

I clearly do typically defer to established consensus - as you allude to, it would simply be impractical to fully research every topic independently - and anyway, who has the time, knowledge, access to data, or even inclination to attempt to do so.

The specific post you're referring to I believe referred to not getting vaccinated. In that instance I balanced my personal risk, which I deemed low, against potential adverse effects from the proposed solution itself - which I didn't deem negligible.

More generally I was criticising the assumption that consensus and expert opinions are infalible and beyond scrutiny, and the demonisation of those who do so. Especially when this sort of censorship is deemed to be somehow "scientific".

Fucking hell. This thread is a ride. 😂 the CT nuts are just….bonkers. “Do your research.”

How truly pathetic you must be to find opposing points of view so hard to stomach that you can't even tolerate the idea of others engaging with them.

No, I clearly wasn't following them. Attention was drawn to the accounts and it started to be discussed various places online. I first saw it on reddit. People then started to go through historic posts. Later, it went viral, the posts were then deleted and the accounts set to private.

Where was anything "Russian or Chinese language" on the images that I posted? Why would "Russians or Chinese" randomly target a "tiny pizza place"? Was James Alefantis about to topple their governments?

@Wallaw

I'm not going to go back through everything I read which prompted me to then have a look at the accounts in question, but here's a flavour of the kind of disgusting shit they had posted which came up.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/b6aoy6/were_all_familiar_with_james_alefantis_instagram/

https://www.reddit.com/r/awfuleverything/comments/iivmwt/why_did_james_alefantis_jimmycomet_owner_of_dc/

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/zd3pzp/these_are_the_instagram_posts_of_james_alefantis/

There's nothing normal about those posts, at all.

The problem is, there's always some slither of truth in the conspiracy theory. Some people (very few and well within the scientific expected amount) suffered bad side effects to the Covid vaccine. A lot of people (including myself) felt awful after having it. And people cling on to that and read newspaper stories of every side effect. I don't think it's right but I can see where it's coming from!

He definitely would have had the vaccines. International travel would have been part of his work life, and proof of vaccination was mandatory for entry to some countries.
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