XL Bullies to be destroyed now!

[Babycatsarenice]

Sick of these monsters still being on our streets (I never see them muzzled as their irresponsible owners don't comply) and worse still knowing that they are still in homes with children.

AIBU that they should be put to sleep NOW

Genuine question - why are there so many of these dogs in the UK? I live in another part of the world, and while the breed is not banned here, and I don't recall ever hearing of any issues regarding the breed, I don't believe I have ever actually even seen one.

I had a pitbull and she was the sweetest, most loving family pet who never so much as barked, let alone bit, in the 15 years I had her.

We should be banning certain people from owning dogs, that’s the real problem.

I've seen three since the ban, not a single one muzzled. Trouble is, what looks like an XL bully to me, is it, or will they claim it's a long nosed boxer, or long legged staffie?

Feel so sorry for the dogs. No doubt a lot have that genetic aspect to fight and bite, as they've been bred for that, but some will genuinely be lovely soft hearted dogs. But how can you tell?

Really don't want to sterotype, but I've yet to see an XL bully owner who doesn't look like a stereotypical XL bully owner...

It's awful, and I feel so sorry for the dogs and veterinary staff.

All of these dogs are "big softies", until one day they're not.

The fact of the matter is that no one should own a dog that a grown man wouldn't be able to prevent from mauling another person.

I saw a Facebook post asking for advice about a Cane Corso who jumps up at other dogs during walks but he "just wants to play". I'm terrified of dogs like this jumping up at me and my baby in the carrier

Lots of people discovered breeding dogs is easy money.

You lose the right to use the word responsible to describe yourself if you own an XL bully. I can think of a few other words you could use but we won't go there.

Because we made the smaller pitbulls illegal, and have a large section of society that wants to intimidate others by having a scary dog on a chain, and make money from breeding scary dogs to sell to other insecure twats.

Bullbreeds are ideal for this as they are fairly hardy, easy to train to do stupid things, cheap to feed for their ridiculous size.

You don't see nearly so many tibetan Mastiffs or caucasian ovcharkas (just picking two huge breeds that have appealed in the past to such owners), because despite both having a serious rep as scary dogs... both will absolutely turn on and take down their handlers if handled wrongly, whereas bully breeds will take a HUGE amount of abuse before that happens and it is more likely to be aimed at a less familiar person (kids friend, kid, grandma, stranger on the street).

I've encountered a good few of these beasts and none have been positive. One encounter was when I was actually at the vets and was in the waiting room with my little dog. I was the only person in the room with the exception of a man who was waiting to pick up his 2 dogs who had just been neutered.

The vet asked the man if he had brought his own muzzle, he hadn't so the vet offered him one so the dog could go from the vets to the car. Out comes a huge muzzled XL and off he goes to the car. Chap returns with muzzle and collects 2nd dog, again it's a huge XL. This time the vet stands between me and the huge dog as it's led out of waiting room. The vet told me later that he had to sedate that particular dog as soon as it arrived as it was really aggressive. I'm glad that the owner was following the law to neuter the dogs and I'm sure he went out and has since muzzle trained both dogs.

Personally I don't understand why anyone would want a powerful dog of any make, type or breed.

@Fionaville

but how do you think posting on here with 'must be DESTROYED' is going to help??

and she SAID they're never muzzled, so report the owners for that, there's a legal channel she can easily take, so why just post nasty threads on here?!

I believe there are only five dog breeds banned here. I don't see a lot of the scarier members of society around here with any dog tbh, although I'm sure they are in some places. It's interesting how prevelent these dogs are in the UK however. People are attacked, and sometimes killed, by dogs here of course, but I haven't heard of any one particular breed being blamed.

I disagree with OP's suggestion however.

No.
These dogs have been inherently bred for their disposition.

There are some deep and complex human issues at the base of it and until they are addressed, we'll see new breed after new breed invented to circumvent the rules of the day. The need certain people have, to have a scary dog that can and will hurt people has not been addressed nor do I ever see it being unfortunately.

Exactly part of being a good owner is doing a bit of research about the breed, not buying a bully because it’s fashionable and convincing yourself they’re harmless and you can train all their instincts out of them

yes, and as i said about.. 10/15 posts back, its the owners that are to blame for having an inappropriate dog as a family pet in the first place.

Breeds being kept appropriately and used for the thing they were bred for, wouldn't be in situations where they can cause harm to innocent people.

Its a Bull Dog breed, its not meant to be a family pet.

The idiot owners who persist with the belief staffies are 'nanny dogs' and pitbulls/bull dogs are nice soppy family pets are the problem, not the animal being kept in the wrong environment.

Ohlookwhoitis
Not close to the rate they used to and my friend is a vet and she was saying the pounds relocate as much as possible plus our local warden is always posting about having moved dogs onto different rescues and he lists the rescues to contact them about dogs he’d recently had up for rehoming. They really try not to.

Ohlookwhoitis
Not close to the rate they used to and my friend is a vet and she was saying the pounds relocate as much as possible plus our local warden is always posting about having moved dogs onto different rescues and he lists the rescues to contact them about dogs he’d recently had up for rehoming. They really try not to.

I think that’s part of the problem though, the rescue centres that brag about not putting dogs down end up with all the dangerous dogs with behavioural issues and then have to palm them off onto well-meaning idiots (usually with guilt-inducing phrases like “forever homes”) that are really unsuited to caring for them

Some really misinformed people on this thread. Poor dogs being bred for status reasons, poor vets for having to do the PTS, shame for the dog wardens and rescues that just have to carry out the requirements of the legislation, even though it’s fundamentally flawed (anyone actually seen a Breed standard?). It won’t stop the problem, it will just be another status dog within 12 months.

thanks for your input which I couldn't care less for but, i didn't go out and purchase an XL Bully which if you'd care to do your own research on, isn't in fact a breed, it's a 'type'. I rescued a dog that unfortunately falls into the category because despite her DNA proving she's 90% American Bulldog, she's categorised by this ridiculous ban. We didn't know what she was the day we rescued her, we didn't care. We chose her because she's an absolute darling. Shame it's her having to wear the muzzle....

I'm very much on the fence about this because I am very much that it's both owner and breed.

There is no denying that breeds have traits, I'm a cat owner and if I get any more pedigrees I will be looking at the more energetic outgoing breeds (Siamese, Bengals) as opposed to the quieter breeds (Birmans, Persians) because whilst there is never a guarantee there is a high chance your cat will conform to breed standard if you get them from a responsible breeder.

I'm also very much of the belief that ownership has a lot to do with it too. If you neglect a cat then there is a chance it could end up being aggressive even with proper breeding.

This is also where it goes hand in hand.

Let's say I'm looking for a first generation Bengal cat, only one step down from being half wild the chances are I will end up with a cat with wild tendencies who will need a lot more care than a Persian. I do my research, go to a proper breeder and take care of my cat correctly then there is a high chance I won't get my face ripped to shreds but with their breeding it's more likely than something like a Persian.

If I don't care where I get my cat from, choose any old breeder, don't look after it properly then the chances of it ripping my face to shreds is higher than the above scenario and again higher than a neglected Persian.

The problem with these dogs is that all of the above applies but the breeding is problematic. A bull breed was used to bait and fight bulls/bears/each other and so the breeders would breed the most successful ones and so the temperament would be passed on. A Staffordshire Bull Terrier also has terrier bred in, a fiesty temperament bred to dispatch rodents in a swift manner. So you have 2 breeds designed to kill mixed together so not ideal. I've no idea what am

The size again causes more problems, a dog the size of a pomeranian couldn't kill someone no matter how hard they tried but the size of these, their tenacity and willingness to fight is a terrible combination.

If Owner A chooses a reputable breeder, one who breeds for a friendly temperament and health then the risk of them attacking is low. If they do everything right, train them, don't let them be alone around kids/new people then the risk is lower still. Never zero because there is always that potential in any dog.

If Owner B chooses a dog which is bred by someone who doesn't care what the temperament of their dog is or they choose one for their aggression then the situation becomes high risk. If the owner never walks them, socialises them, trains them and neglects them then the risk is suddenly a lot higher.

Now I don't know enough about the breed/breeders to say if there are responsible ones but the stories coming out of the media suggest they are not because they are being sold to people with unsuitable circumstances and then a lot of the time passed from pillar to post. A responsible breeder should be willing to take their puppies back, help with rehoming, not sell to people they suspect will breed from them willy nilly. These dogs seem unsocialised, overcrowded, untrained and not exercised so it's a lethal combination and people are paying with their lives.

I agree with the ban and I don't agree with it. I agree with the premise of trying to reduce the risks and helping cull the irresponsible owners to an extent. There will always be those who don't listen just like there will always be murderers and thieves. I don't agree with it because ultimately it seems people are responsible for the outcome. Ban these, reduce deaths, great. Some other dodgy breeder will start to put the wheels in motion to create something else to sell to people who mostly want the dog to give off the "don't mess with me vibe" and so eventually the cycle begins again.

The only answer is to have a total crackdown on dog ownership. Dogs of all breeds bred properly and sold to homes of high standards with official paperwork. Vets to go through the paperwork of any new dog brought in and report and have the power to seize any that don't seem legit. Those found to not be need to be PTS, even a pomeranian and owners given a fine.

Obviously there are still massive flaws with this, one is money and time, there aren't the resources. Two it won't stop people from going underground, it would stop people seeking treatment if their "underground dog" was unwell and ultimately an innocent animals suffers. There are probably a ton more flaws as well, I'm thinking rescues, in breeding but I can't really articulate what I'm thinking.

So really since the "answer" won't happen I don't know what the solution is when we don't have the resouces. I do think the government despite my dislike of them are trying to mitigate damage and doing the right thing, it won't stop attacks but maybe it might reduce the numbers because they are harder to get hold of/harder to have unregistered and thus reduce the attacks.

I do question why anyone wants a breed known to have killed several people and also question the suitability of some breeds to owners. I wouldn't choose a large guardian breed in my small suburban home, I would go for a small companion breed but if I lived on a property with a large amount of acres and livestock to guard I would be more likely to consider a guarding breed.

I've seen a few XL bullies and they have all had muzzles on, it actually encouraged me to stroke one! I probably wouldn't have if it wasn't wearing a muzzle, they are quite intimidating, I'm very much a dog lover but am wary of large powerful dogs.

I don't believe they should all be killed, I'd question why a person would want such a large powerful dog with a reputation.
What's wrong with a good ol mongrel

That’s just it—they are mostly mongrels, mixed breeds. I have a dog that I rescued as a baby. She was labeled as an unknown mixed breed, ‘we don’t know what she is.’ I’ve since had her DNA done, and she’s 90% Scott type American Bulldog. But Rishi doesn’t care—she’s to be categorised as an XL Bully because from floor to withers, she’s 29cm and has a head that is ‘large and broad.’ Those two defining features mean that our dog, which on her paperwork from the rehoming centre states she’s a dog of an unknown mixed breed, is now a banned dog in the UK.

I hope this thread will give voice to all of us who are fed up with this ban that doesn't work as we are all still seeing these dogs out and about. Maybe Rishi will see it?!
Sure I can report an unmuzzled dog to the police- do you think the police have time to actually police this? They have said they don't have the resources.
Boo hoo nasty thread...what about the poor people who have been injured and killed?
As it stands this is going go go on 10 years unless further action is taken.
Of course it's not the dogs' fault but they should never have been bred in the first place.

It's absurd that XL Bull type apologists keep denying genetic input.

Working line Spaniels are different to 'Show' line.

Guide dogs breed for biddability and intelligence.

Police for boldness and intelligence

You can't 'Love' the fighting trait out of a Pitbull cross.

It's ridiculous that people are having to live in fear that their nice pet dog could be mauled or worse by one of these brutes - or that a small child, or old and vulnerable person might be randomly targeted by

''A big soft lump that wouldn't hurt a fly''
That Essex bloke whose MIL was slaughtered by his ''soft lumps'' is back-pedalling like mad saying he ''never knew they were vicious''..He really must be dense if we are going to believe that.

He's probably just trying to cut short any potential jail term.

Ol' dead -eye- Dick in the pic below is as far from a ''soft lump'' as you can imagine. An older person or toddler {and certainly no pet dog} would stand a chance.