XL Bullies to be destroyed now!

[Babycatsarenice]

Sick of these monsters still being on our streets (I never see them muzzled as their irresponsible owners don't comply) and worse still knowing that they are still in homes with children.

AIBU that they should be put to sleep NOW

This is a complicated issue, and it is irresponsible breeding that is responsible for the mess we find ourselves in. It is this that should be regulated, with additional restrictions for owners.

The breed itself started (allegedly) as a companion dog, although I humbly submit that there were better start points for this than pitbulls and staffies. Then you had the segment who bred the aggressive tendencies which led us to where we are. Couple this with the irresponsible owners and the lack of ability to enforce not only this law, but many others besides. Many dog owners do not know the requirements of the breeds they select as pets, and unfortunately this particular derivative has fairly disastrous potential consequences when it is not handled / looked after correctly. This is less of a risk with other breeds (you don't hear of many pomeranians attacking humans).

It is always the few that spoil it for the many, however we should bear in mind that dog attacks are still very rare, and there are things we can do to minimise the chances of it happening to us. If there is an owner not adhering to the law, report to the local authority, environmental health, and the police.

The public got the knee jerk, ill thought out ban they wanted.

Animals get put down all the time, it is the only solution to overcrowding in rescue centres because people are ditching their lockdown dogs now!
They actually don’t here in Ireland- they get moved around rescue centres. The reason there’s so many dogs now is that in the 80s and 90s when dogs weren’t claimed within 5 days they were put down (which was a bit scary to be fair- our dog went missing and was due to be put down before we found him in a pound miles away).

My 2 girls are not monsters and this is the problem, many need to educated themselves!
I was walking mine the other day and told I had a lovely staffy 🤣
Most people have no idea what they even look like!
My girls are legal, muzzled and always have been on the lead they also sit and wait for walkers, children and other dogs to walk by when I am out with them they pay attention to me because I keep them safe not the other way round.

I think the problem is there are too many new dogs in society and not enough (paid for) resources to deal with them.

My proposal would be to implement a tax on dog food. There is probably £5 billion of dog food sold per year in the UK. So a 5% tax would generate £250 million a year to pay for dog wardens, clean up after dogs, dog patrols, treatment of dog bites etc.

It would be a progressive tax because the bigger the dog and the larger its potential to cause problems, the more food it would eat and the more tax the owner would pay.

Service and working dogs could be excluded.

While I applaud the intentions of your post @HappiestSleeping , I think the time for this has passed. Unfortunately, attacks are not rare, yes the media picks up on it, but not a week passes without the news of another attack. 3 days ago was a little boy in a communal area left with life changing injuries: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bootle-xl-bully-boy-merseyside-wadham-road-b2494293.html

You are putting a lot of faith in owners training their dog properly, and the general public behaving in the right way to avoid attacks.

Personally, I don't think we should adapt our behaviour to suit the existence of these dangerous dogs; you will bever be able to fully control what events might lead to an XL bully attacking, the sheer strenghth and agressive tendencies of this particular breed making it impossible to control.
Ditto mental health of a few vets who might be opposed to putting them down.

I value human life above all, and it broke my heart to hear of this little boy, a mere week after two bullies killed a grandmother.

My next door neighbour has one.

They are perfectly responsible - registered, chipped, neutered and muzzled in public.

However they are not bringing him up to be a killer and so far is the softest oversized thing I've ever met.

I will be gobsmacked if he ever hurts anyone. Its the upbringing not the dog.

Both need to be exterminated.

Oh ok..

In real, practical terms, not 'give me the needle I'll do it' because you can't unless you're a vet...

How exactly would this work?

A team of vets going house to house killing dogs?

Where will they come from, vets go into veterinary medicine to save animals not kill them. They are independent businesses/employees, not government staff so, who is going to make them? Who will pay for this if they could be found? What would be in place to protect the MH of those vets?

How will you find them all, this would lead to many owners hiding dogs (which is a big part of the problem already, hidden dogs do not have their needs met, are untrained, unsocialised, suffering and far more likely to be dangerous should they escape or be exposed to situations they've no ability to cope with).

Do you suggest every home in the UK is searched for XL bullies?

Forcibly taking and killing peoples dogs in front of them is likely to be highly stressful for everyone and very high risk for all involved. Again, why should vets (who, unlike police officers, did not sign up for the risk of being punched/stabbed etc in the course of their everyday work) do this. What law is there in place that could be used to force them to do this?

Or do you mean for police to seize dogs and transport them to some killing facility - where is this facility (or facilities) please?

Killing dogs takes time and the legal methods require fairly close handling, or are you proposing to change our laws on euthanasia methods so that dogs can be gassed in large numbers as is done in some US states and parts of Japan?
Otherwise who is funding the seizure, transport, and housing of huge numbers of dogs, all of whom are liable to kill a person at the drop of a hat lets not forget, whilst they wait to be killed?

It was easy to add XL bullies to the existing breed specific laws, as all the work for that was done when pitbulls were banned.

I do not believe there is anything in place already that would allow any authority to destroy property simply because it exists (as opposed to where a crime was wilfully and with intent, committed), particularly property owners have just paid to meet the various conditions and exempt their property. I assume those people would be refunded and they'd have a good compensation case too for their expenses - who will pay for this?

Given the governments figures for how many XL bullies there are in the UK were WAY off... (they estimated around 10 thousand. It is more likely closer to 100'000) do you think this is a proportional response to less than 1% of the xl bully population being killers?

@Shivermetimbers13

so all the responsible owners who have complied with the legislation should have to have their pets put down (don't forget many breeds have been caught up in the ridiculous, rushed through, legislation)

& where as the monsters that own these dogs will just not comply with the PTS legislation. As they're not complying with this legislation.

🙄🙄🙄

Of course it can!

When I was a teenager, my friend's shitzu mauled a child and had to be put down and they're small dogs. Cockapoos are mixed breed, can be large and are perfectly capable of mauling.

@Predictabilitypreferred

well said!!

save your post & keep reposting it until the hard of thinking actually 'get it'

could be quite a while!!

Oh super. Another hysterical XL bully thread. Could you not go and join one of the others to say your piece, there’s lots of them.

I met my first XL bully last week. He was muzzled, neutered, being walked on a lead and his owner had exempted him. I made a fuss of the dog and a nice chat with his owner then we both went on our way.

Little bit of a difference being "mauled" by a chihuahua where you are likely to walk away with the best part of your face intact, as opposed to a dog who is MORE LIKELY to eat your face off.

Individuals who don’t comply with regs (muzzle lead etc) should have their dog removed and put down.

Breeding should be severely punished.

I hadn’t seen one until recently and I was horrified by the size and muscle. You wouldn’t stand a chance.

@theothersideofmidnight

When I grow up, I want to be like you!!

'Destroyed' & I see RED. I need to learn to pause & think 'What is the OP's motivation in this thread'. 'Do I need to engage with them?'

Im 54 this old dog is going to TRY to add this to her basket of tricks!!

@Fionaville

I doubt it somehow. But IF that's the case, instead of stirring up 💩 here, she'd be better off reporting it to the police.

But there are thousands of people who are living in that situation. How must it feel to have one of these dogs who have a knobhead for an owner, living opposite you? Or even several. Maybe they muzzle it for walks, so they can't report it. But that doesn't give much comfort when dogs can and do get out. I was badly bitten by a German shepard when I was a child and that had escaped its house. In the case of the poor fella who got killed by a couple of XLs a few months ago, they'd escaped through the window!

Send them to me, i am in Scotland. I will happily but a bullet in it's head.

"My girls" .... heaven help us. Sigh.

I thought you were going to tell us something about your daughters.

I think my point was to pass legislation that will actually stop the problem recurring. Backyard breeders are already working on replacements, so if we destroy all the XLB's now, they will just be replaced by some other Frankenbreed in a few years time. This has already started in fact as demand for other breeds to use has already become higher.

In this instance, I do think that stronger action needs to be taken against irresponsible owners, and uncontrolled specimens of this breed. Then again, I think that stronger action needs to be taken against racists, rapists, murderers, company directors who allow travesties such as the Post Office Scandal, various members of Parliament who are openly lining their own pockets.....the list is endless.

Hence the need to put legislation in place that minimises the need for ongoing management cost. If the government made it illegal to sell dogs on Facebook, gumtree etc, that would remove a good proportion of the outlets for these types of breeds. Of course there will be the subsection of society that will flout this, but they will be advertising who they are by possessing one.

Lastly, I maintain that attacks are rare. Whilst and instances of attacks are wholly unacceptable, there is statistically more chance of a wife being murdered by her husband than of being bitten by a dog, let alone killed by it. Or of a bit of space junk landing on our heads. Hence I can't see the government doing much more at this point as they have what they would consider to be bigger fish to fry.

It is a very sad state of affairs that so many dog owners don't have a clue about how to raise a dog. That can also be said of parents, car owners, computer owners and many other things. I concede that the consequences of not being able to operate a computer etc are significantly less serious though.

The thought of putting any healthy animal down, particularly one that hasn’t done anything wrong, is heartbreaking
You must be in floods of tears all day long then, all those animals euthanized, tens of thousands every day euthanized so that humans can eat them.

Of course the animal hasn't done anything wrong, animals have no concept of right or wrong, they are not capable of making moral choices and therefore cannot be innocent or guilty, this is something which applies to humans only.
Dogs are not human.

1: I don’t eat meat

2: My post was specifically from the perspective of a vet having to personally administer the euthanasia

HTH.

Crazy isn't it /s. Its like we were right all along and it was the shitty violent and neglectful owners making dogs into monsters. Imagine that

Not XL bullies, but bullies, lived next door to my Mum. Wouldn't hurt a fly, lovely family dogs etc etc One day they managed to make a gap in the fence big enough to break into her garden and rip her small dog to shreds. In front of her while she tried to grab a broom to hit them with. She has honestly never been the same since, it affected her enormously. As it was "only a dog" they attacked, and on private property, the owner got away with it completely and was only made to mend the fence.