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XL Bullies to be destroyed now!

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Babycatsarenice · 14/02/2024 11:12

Sick of these monsters still being on our streets (I never see them muzzled as their irresponsible owners don't comply) and worse still knowing that they are still in homes with children.

AIBU that they should be put to sleep NOW

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somekittenmittens · 14/02/2024 18:48

I don't claim to be a scientist but I've been around alot of dogs that have been bred for violence and some have a screw loose, and my point is that there's something genetic responsible for it and I think it would be interesting to try and see what's causing it in dogs so we can finally be done with the farce that aggression is down to the owner.

Chitasaurus · 14/02/2024 18:59

NoOrdinaryMorning · 14/02/2024 18:12

Highly qualified and experienced Veterinary professors have proven beyond any doubt using science that this behaviour is evident within the dna of these 'animals'. It is NOTHING to do with how they're raised ffs

Please provide links to these imaginary studies.

AntonFeckoff · 14/02/2024 19:00

somekittenmittens · 14/02/2024 18:48

I don't claim to be a scientist but I've been around alot of dogs that have been bred for violence and some have a screw loose, and my point is that there's something genetic responsible for it and I think it would be interesting to try and see what's causing it in dogs so we can finally be done with the farce that aggression is down to the owner.

my point is that there's something genetic responsible for it

And my point is this hasn't been proven, which is what you claimed in your original post: 'it's been proven recently that they can single out genes that cause a dog to either have episodes of predictable or unpredictable aggression.'

An association between a genetic polymorphism and a behaviour has been observed, which is not the same thing as proof of a cause.

somekittenmittens · 14/02/2024 19:03

@AntonFeckoff Do you not believe that aggression is genetic in alot of cases?

Ohlookwhoitis · 14/02/2024 19:07

stayathomer · 14/02/2024 12:28

Animals get put down all the time, it is the only solution to overcrowding in rescue centres because people are ditching their lockdown dogs now!
They actually don’t here in Ireland- they get moved around rescue centres. The reason there’s so many dogs now is that in the 80s and 90s when dogs weren’t claimed within 5 days they were put down (which was a bit scary to be fair- our dog went missing and was due to be put down before we found him in a pound miles away).

Unwanted/stray dogs do get put down in Ireland.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/08/04/number-of-dogs-being-put-to-sleep-in-irish-pounds-doubles-over-12-months/#:~:text=Under%20the%20Control%20of%20Dogs,with%20space%20to%20take%20them.

Number of dogs being put to sleep in Irish pounds doubles over 12 months

There was a 95% increase in stray dogs entering pounds in 2022, according to Government statistics

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/08/04/number-of-dogs-being-put-to-sleep-in-irish-pounds-doubles-over-12-months#:~:text=Under%20the%20Control%20of%20Dogs,with%20space%20to%20take%20them.

ViciousCurrentBun · 14/02/2024 19:09

I have seen four in total.
Three before the legislation, one women was clearly not in control of the dog at all.

Two since the legislation, one was in a garden across the canal and the other was muzzled, also along the canal.

AntonFeckoff · 14/02/2024 19:12

somekittenmittens · 14/02/2024 19:03

@AntonFeckoff Do you not believe that aggression is genetic in alot of cases?

Behaviour is an interplay between genetic and environmental factors. Identical twins don't have identical personalities. It's not as simple as saying x behaviour is genetic.

whatsitcalledwhen · 14/02/2024 19:14

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 14/02/2024 12:07

We had one at work on Monday getting his baubles taken off. He was a sweetheart.

Does he live in a house with children do you know?

HellsAngel81 · 14/02/2024 19:15

NoOrdinaryMorning · 14/02/2024 18:12

Highly qualified and experienced Veterinary professors have proven beyond any doubt using science that this behaviour is evident within the dna of these 'animals'. It is NOTHING to do with how they're raised ffs

What are the names of these veterinary professors? I'd be interested to read any articles they have published on the matter. Please can you provide a link?

AlwaysGinPlease · 14/02/2024 19:21

I'm out of this because some of these posts just cannot be made by real people. I fail to believe there are people that ignorant about animals. To think some have children, makes me worry for their education. Dog haters are so boring anyway.

oakleaffy · 14/02/2024 19:26

AlwaysGinPlease · 14/02/2024 19:21

I'm out of this because some of these posts just cannot be made by real people. I fail to believe there are people that ignorant about animals. To think some have children, makes me worry for their education. Dog haters are so boring anyway.

Idiots who can't control their dogs are disliked by many responsible dog owners.

Do remember that.

oakleaffy · 14/02/2024 19:34

somekittenmittens · 14/02/2024 19:03

@AntonFeckoff Do you not believe that aggression is genetic in alot of cases?

An XL Pit kennel who breeds and sells these types says aggression IS genetic that certain lines are far more human aggressive than others.
{all are dog aggressive because of the fighting Pitbull part}

Dangerous Dog Attack Interview: Huge Pitbull attacks and Kills 3 year old girl

http://www.BigGeminiKennels.com BGK's Dangerous Dog Documentary: UKC's Most Wanted Kimbo aka KILLER KIMBO's son Niko a 130 lb pitbull/ American Bully randoml...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggBvHBx1p0Y&t=335s

WiddlinDiddlin · 14/02/2024 19:34

I'd not hold your breath for it HellsAngel81

Any dog if mishandled, badly housed, needs not met, trained using aversive methods, trained to grab and bite limbs, can do some serious harm, and lots have - they make less froth-worthy news and what does hit the media tends to die down quickly, remember the police dog that had to be shot to get it off its own handler and had attacked previously? Or the one that damn near ripped a girls leg off at a rave, the handler having not warned the victim that they were going to deploy the dog (she was unware the dogs were even there!) and then not getting the dog to 'out' promptly... That's just two examples of poor handling training and housing leading to dangerously aggressive dogs, and this is by people who should know better, the more minor end of the 'crappy dog handling/training/housing' scale.

The damage that can be done when UTTER morons get a very big dog is terrifying, but it doesnt mean ALL very big dogs are a danger, it means morons are a danger. So stop morons owning big dogs, put controls on dogs over a certain height/weight combination, that specifically targets idiot owners. Make them pass a test and have to have third party liability insurance and a licence - no licence then they get 14 days to get one, second failure to licence offence =dog seized. Any actual dog control offence = dog seized and court case.

It would be relatively easy to police too as the id criteria could be figured out by a toddler - weight + height = needs a licence. Any fule can put a dog on a scales and measure its height, vs having to have specially trained officers to determine type.

That would stop them, but it would also cost much much more to achieve than this pointless ban, and it would take longer to put into action. Not what the current government (or tbh, any) wants. They want to instantly look like they're doing something, they don't really care if it WORKS of course. They've just done their best, wash their hands of it afterwards.

AntonFeckoff · 14/02/2024 19:39

oakleaffy · 14/02/2024 19:34

An XL Pit kennel who breeds and sells these types says aggression IS genetic that certain lines are far more human aggressive than others.
{all are dog aggressive because of the fighting Pitbull part}

Oh well if an XL Pit kennel says it, it must be true

Thunderbird7 · 14/02/2024 19:41

YANBU they’re absolutely terrifying and owners are not following the new rules

FeliciteFaff · 14/02/2024 19:42

Owner of a pair of large breed rescue dogs. I would do this job for free. Chased by one xl bully across a road. I walked never ran. Saved by a passerby who got physical with it. See them Unmuzzled and unleashed in my middle class neighbourhood with their don't give a f owners. We don’t take the dogs to the park anymore. Long walks early morning and midday has kept us out of trouble. Local kids are never out alone anymore. My dogs are trained and muzzled and never off leash. It’s a certain type of person who wants these dogs. Even rescues.

tiredoftheBS · 14/02/2024 19:42

Moronic. Because of 157 dogs, more than 29000, owned by responsible families, willing to register and muzzle them, should be euthanised?

FeliciteFaff · 14/02/2024 19:43

tiredoftheBS · 14/02/2024 19:42

Moronic. Because of 157 dogs, more than 29000, owned by responsible families, willing to register and muzzle them, should be euthanised?

Yes.

Blakessevenrideagain · 14/02/2024 19:49

It would create a gap in the market for another breed to be the scumbags dog of choice.
It is genetic, and the scum owners are those who are genetically deficient. Regardless of laws or rules, these scum will ignore it all.

This is where you start..the scum. It's rarely The Mrs Fforbes-Hamiltons of Dunroamin with these dogs, It's the 'Ryan and Charlies' with their feral offspring. Social services, schools, probation services, police and courts have them on a revolving door! It's unpalatable but a reality in many places. Investment in services to identify them and breathe down the necks and early intervention is needed.

Bingoballs · 14/02/2024 19:51

GPTec1 · 14/02/2024 14:10

All still around but they tend not to kill people in the numbers that XLs do.

A strong man could pull most of these types off you or i, he'd have no chance with a XL.

That is possibly one of the most naive sentences I have ever read!

Thunderbird7 · 14/02/2024 19:55

It’s not true that it’s just bad (by which people seem to mean “working class”) owners that are the problem and good, responsible (read: middle class) owners are unfairly maligned. One of the women killed by bullies last year was a good, responsible, and experienced owner. And her dog turned on her on a dime and killed her in her own home, because that’s what they’ve been bred for.

The middle class owners on TikTok who are saying “Twinkletoes wouldn’t hurt a fly” are just as incompetent at being owners as they don’t even understand that they need to be able to control something that could kill people. At least the roadman walking Captain DeathMonster on a studded chain understands the danger level lol.

Frequency · 14/02/2024 20:07

Thunderbird7 · 14/02/2024 19:55

It’s not true that it’s just bad (by which people seem to mean “working class”) owners that are the problem and good, responsible (read: middle class) owners are unfairly maligned. One of the women killed by bullies last year was a good, responsible, and experienced owner. And her dog turned on her on a dime and killed her in her own home, because that’s what they’ve been bred for.

The middle class owners on TikTok who are saying “Twinkletoes wouldn’t hurt a fly” are just as incompetent at being owners as they don’t even understand that they need to be able to control something that could kill people. At least the roadman walking Captain DeathMonster on a studded chain understands the danger level lol.

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That's not what people mean at all when they refer to "bad owners". They mean owners who do not adequately train, socialise, excerise or feed their dogs.

Multiple studies have shown that environmental factors increase the risk of a dog attacking. No studies have shown that breed is a factor.

A recent study showed that the biggest factor is the lack of supervision by an able-bodied adult.

https://avmajournals.avma.org/view/journals/javma/243/12/javma.243.12.1726.xml

Co-occurrence of potentially preventable factors in 256 dog bite–related fatalities in the United States (2000–2009)

Abstract Objective—To examine potentially preventable factors in human dog bite–related fatalities (DBRFs) on the basis of data from sources that were more complete, verifiable, and accurate than media reports used in previous studies. Design—Prospecti...

https://avmajournals.avma.org/view/journals/javma/243/12/javma.243.12.1726.xml

YuleDragon · 14/02/2024 20:09

NoOrdinaryMorning · 14/02/2024 18:12

Highly qualified and experienced Veterinary professors have proven beyond any doubt using science that this behaviour is evident within the dna of these 'animals'. It is NOTHING to do with how they're raised ffs

I didn't say it was.

However, owners are responsible for being well aware of the genetic predisposition of the dogs that they own, and making sure they are owned and cared for in the appropriate manner.

Bull dog breeds are not house pets, and they shouldn't be, any more than Simon from flat 4 should be owning a Husky, or Wendy from apartment 7 on the 7th floor should have an Anatolian Shepherd.

People need to be taught responsible, breed appropriate dog ownership.

Go FFS at yourself.

Keychangeoff · 14/02/2024 20:09

RedPony1 · 14/02/2024 11:32

I've never even seen one in real life,

Where do you live that you've never had the misfortune of meeting these awful creatures? Asking for a friend .....

SomeCatFromJapan · 14/02/2024 20:11

All the animal charities clearly state it’s not the dogs it’s the owners.
Its not one size fits all

When I see someone train a beagle or a French bulldog to herd sheep I'll believe that it's the dog not the owners.