XL Bullies to be destroyed now!

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Sick of these monsters still being on our streets (I never see them muzzled as their irresponsible owners don't comply) and worse still knowing that they are still in homes with children.

AIBU that they should be put to sleep NOW

@Fishbones1 I’m not really missing the point. The way OP is hysterically frothing about this, everyone would believe there’s an XL bully on every street corner waiting to pounce on the unsuspecting general public. The truth is there are an awful lot of these dogs who are now being kept illegally by dreadful owners who shouldn’t be allowed to have a pot plant yet alone a living creature. But there are also responsible ones whose dog is highly unlikely to ever be a problem. Why should those dogs be destroyed.

Unfortunately we are unlikely to ever be in a situation whereby it’s illegal to have a dog if you’re an irresponsible arsehole.

They stopped being the ‘cool’ breed and idiots stopped getting them simply to look hard and have them as status dogs.

It just goes to show how it is the owner and not the breed that’s the problem.

I’ve not once met an aggressive staffy but I remember every day seeing front page newspapers of how dangerous staffies were.

There are also a lot more dogs around in general now and so much easier to get one, so the number of dog attacks will keep going up as long as the number of dogs keep going up.

The reason I’m against PTS certain breeds is because in a couple of years a different breed will be the dangerous one.

Its not getting to the route of the problem.

Unfortunately we are unlikely to ever be in a situation whereby it’s illegal to have a dog if you’re an irresponsible arsehole.

I'm coming round to the view that a committee of responsible citizens should decide whether an individual should be allowed to have a dog.

And there you go drawing equivalence between dogs and children 🙄
Your dog is not equal to a child.

I'd genuinely like to see them all euthanised at this point. I say this as someone who likes dogs and thinks that other breeds shouldn't be at risk of being mauled to death on a walk.

Keeping a dog is a hobby if you want to make analogies you should compare it to someone's knitting or their crafting \jigsaw puzzles.
Its a hobby, something you do for your own indulgence and amusement, stop subjecting the rest of us to your shitting irritating hobby

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Using the 'it's the owners' argument is disingenuous and a little bit like the NRA's 'guns don't kill people, people kill people' argument. Yes, we need far better dog licensing and ownership laws. But we also need to stop people getting mauled. It's not the dogs' fault - but I'd rather these dogs were put down than people getting attacked/killed.

You could actually give a deadline for compliance and say that any dangerous dog breed found after x date without being castrated/muzzled/defanged etc after this time will be automatically put down.

@TotalAbsenceOfImperialRaiment I’d be happy to be part of that. Aside from the whole XL bully situation, there are far too many people around who are totally incapable of being a responsible dog owner. I think prospective owners should be vetted, made to go to training classes and be licensed before they are even allowed to put their name down for a dog. This current system of any idiot being able to own one isn’t working.

I'm more concerned with the huge amount of unwanted pets - dogs, cats and other unwanted animals that are filling animal rescue centres every day. Many are full to capacity.

The cost of owning a pet is rising, insurance, vet bills and food etc and animals are being dumped and abandoned. Relationship break ups and people going into rented accommodation where pets aren't allowed is another factor.

If you are a much loved pet of a responsible and caring owner you will have the happiest life possible. If you don't then you are destined to a life behind bars until the slight possible chance you may be adopted.

The U.K. is in a terrible state for these poor creatures who through no fault of their own have been bred and then abandoned.

I've never seen one but if I did I'd cross the road

I guess one issue that transpires from this thread is the public seems divided on whether these dogs are inherently dangerous. Some PP seem to think that all the attacks we have seen are due to bad ownership.
My opinion (and I assume one not shared by many, esp owners) is that the issue lies in the genetic predisposition of this breed of dogs to attack and be violent (Kimbo lineage in the UK etc). The attacks themselves are then due to this predisposition and some basic safety not being respected (dogs around children, off lead, etc), which is bad ownership. But not 100% can be put on the owners, sometimes the dogs "turn" and attack their owners with no warning signs.
The ban does bring some peace of mind that responsible owners' dogs are going to be muzzled in public and on a lead, which is reassuring to some degree.

My friend has an XL bully, he is muzzle trained (muzzled every time they leave the house) crate trained, insured, has the exemption certificate, and has the correct harness.

so what type of person do you suggest she is???

Agree!!

Never seen one in real life but agree they don’t belong in family homes or any home really. Decent owners will comply with the rules but it’s the ‘typical chavvy lowlifes’ who won’t and those are the ones most likely to have untrained or mistreated dogs who are dangerous.

Yes, exactly this!

I think it would be a job for the police; specifically, for the firearms units.

I would think your friend is a decent person who did the mistake to pick this breed in the first place. I would be concerned about her long term safety and about the social limitations brought by her choice to her life (visitors at home, not being able to enjoy playing with her dog outside, etc.)

I'm a dog lover, but something needs to be done about those not obeying the law. A man was killed by one 5 minutes walk away from my house, about 4 months ago. So pre legislation. Just walking his little dog on a housing estate. Devastating for witnesses. The police seized another, from the property it was let out of, and puppies.

Please point out, in my previous post, where I drew equivalence between dogs and children. That's right, I didn't.

But just to keep you happy and actually give you something to clutch your pearls at: I don't have a dog, but if I did, my dog would be more important to me than your child.

I know, there will be a lot of gasping, clutching of clothes/diamond/pearl necklaces, fainting and rage from the 'how dare you love your animal more than a human' brigade. However you are all proof why we do.

Agree that it's an owner issue predominantly.

My DPs know of someone who has an out of control, aggressive dog (not an XL) and they have been told by the police that the dog must always be kept on a lead. So they do keep the dog on a lead. The owners just don't hold the other end of it. They think they're being really clever and "bucking the system". This is the dog that tried to kill my DP's dog and would have bitten my DF who was trying to get it off him, had the owners not finally managed to gain control of it.

I also volunteer with a local dog rescue that has a subsidised clinic. The numbers of people calling up to request their dog be neutered once the news of banning breeding of XL bullies went up massively.

This latter point only highlights one thing to me. XL bullies may disappear, but the people that have been breeding them and selling them purely for profit will soon move on to the next "fashionable" dog. Then what happens??

I own an xl and have only met two others in two years. They are not a popular breed so where are you seeing them all op?

Nice of you start start up another thread on this and then not bother to come back 4 hrs later.

I own an xl and have only met two others in two years. They are not a popular breed so where are you seeing them all op?

You see them loads in rough areas. Not sure how to put that more tactfully.

"I think it would be a job for the police; specifically, for the firearms units."

The scenes grow more and more astonishing and like something out of Mad feckin' Max.

That some people can suggest deployment of the (few) firearmed police units - presumably breaking down people's doors if someone's reported what they think is an XL Bully (and please remember, the incredibly vague legislation) - and shooting a dog with a gun? What could possibly go wrong?

This.