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XL Bullies to be destroyed now!

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Babycatsarenice · 14/02/2024 11:12

Sick of these monsters still being on our streets (I never see them muzzled as their irresponsible owners don't comply) and worse still knowing that they are still in homes with children.

AIBU that they should be put to sleep NOW

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oakleaffy · 17/02/2024 12:39

OOBetty · 17/02/2024 12:04

Vets in the uk are not obliged to euthanise healthy animals OP.
It would be impossible to euthanise all xl bullies within the current law without that change having serious affects on all other animals.

The veterinary profession would also have to change their professional code of conduct and get all existing vets to sign up to that in order to euthanise all xl bullies.
The idea, therefore, that all xl bullies should all be destroyed now is simply logistically, legally and ethically a non starter.

Lots of dogs are euthanised for behavioural issues -an aggressive dog it could be argued not 'Healthy' if it attacks other animals, or humans.

The RSPCA and Dogs trust get around this by ''We never put a healthy dog down''

The emphasis on behavioural/emotional health is also taken into consideration.

No one needs an aggressive dog that puts other people or animals at risk.

YuleDragon · 17/02/2024 13:25

BE (behavioural euthanasia) is absolutely a thing, its why dogs who have bitten or show dangerous signs of aggression are euthanised.

However, you can't do that just because of the breed, they have to show active signs of being unstable/dangerous to be considered eligible for BE.

OOBetty · 17/02/2024 18:44

oakleaffy · 17/02/2024 12:39

Lots of dogs are euthanised for behavioural issues -an aggressive dog it could be argued not 'Healthy' if it attacks other animals, or humans.

The RSPCA and Dogs trust get around this by ''We never put a healthy dog down''

The emphasis on behavioural/emotional health is also taken into consideration.

No one needs an aggressive dog that puts other people or animals at risk.

I was responding to OPs direct question.
ie for ALL xl bullies to be killed.

OOBetty · 17/02/2024 18:45

YuleDragon · 17/02/2024 13:25

BE (behavioural euthanasia) is absolutely a thing, its why dogs who have bitten or show dangerous signs of aggression are euthanised.

However, you can't do that just because of the breed, they have to show active signs of being unstable/dangerous to be considered eligible for BE.

Thankyou @YuleDragon exactly the point
you put it better than I did there

FreeZor · 18/02/2024 14:46

Frequency · 16/02/2024 17:23

Irresponsible owners are often drawn to large and aggressive dog types.

Precisely why banning breeds is like trying to scoop water with a colander. The problem is at the other end of the lead. Once the XL is out of their hands they will move to the next breed and any breed can become aggressive under the wrong set of circumstances.

In ten years I can guarantee we will be back here debating the Cane Corso and the number of dog-related fatalities will have remained the same. Just as it did when we banned pitbull types.

Until we look at the other end of the lead for a solution nothing will change.

Which is why you also impose large fines and prison sentences on such people, and implement dog licensing with high enough fees to cover the cost of enough enforcement officers to respond quickly every time an illegal dog is reported and confiscate it and put it to sleep if the owner cannot prove compliance, rather than the onus being on the authority to prove non-compliance. All incentive to own large, unregistered, uncertified, untrained, unneutered, unvaccinated, unchipped, uninsured dogs from backyard breeders would disappear if such irresponsible people knew that their cute little puppy would be reported and confiscated and they would be prosecuted and fined, the moment anybody became aware they owned it. No dog could be owned without prior approval for registration that it was coming from a highly regulated breeder, that all of the above requirements were met and that the owner had in place unscalable walls/ fencing around their property and had made proper arrangements to exercise it either on their own property or in registered and enclosed dog exercise fields where it would not impinge on the lives of people who hadn't chosen to own a dog and their use of human public spaces. Ultimately those who choose to own dogs need to be forced to bear the cost and inconvenience of that choice rather than inflicting it on wider society.

FreeZor · 18/02/2024 14:51

WiddlinDiddlin · 16/02/2024 14:40

So are we arguing for the instant destruction of all dogs physically capable of killing a human?

Bullmastiffs
Tibetan Mastiffs
Mastiff
Pyrenean Mastiff
Dogue De Bordeaux
Akita
Rottweilers
Kangals
Pyrenean Mountain Dogs
Kuvasz
Anatolian Shepherd
Bouvier des Flandres
Giant Schnauzer
Russian Black Terrier...

There are more but off the top of my head, any one of those would be capable of killing a person, they're also all bred to be pretty independent, not very human friendly or willing to use aggression towards certain animals or people or both.

And yet ... we don't see reports of these breeds killing people. Why is that, they've the size, if size and breeding for a 'not a pet role' is why XL bullies are killing people and ownership is not a factor... why aren't these breeds routinely killing people?

The world would not be a poorer place if none of those existed. But, I am fairly liberal so I think a balance needs to be struck. At the moment the balance is skewed ridiculously far towards dog owners being able to do whatever they like with no consequences and making other people's lives hell as a result. In my view they should be allowed to own dogs that are unpleasant, but not lethal. There's a good argument for banning several more of the breeds on your list outright as there's simply no need for anybody to own a dog bred for aggression. But for most dog breeds a proper licensing regime at a sufficient cost to all owners to bear the real costs to society and for proper enforcement would be an appropriate balance between allowing dog owners to continue to own dogs but without impinging on the lives and safety of others. Responsible dog owners should welcome such a regime and be happy to pay the cost.

oakleaffy · 18/02/2024 20:10

@FreeZor Everyone knows what the types of dog breeds/types are likely to cause trouble to society as a whole.
Small dogs of any breed need watching around small children/babies- But a misguided person buying a working bred springer spaniel isn't likely to cause death or injury to another person or dog compared to these mauler type dogs.

There has been a definite 'uptick' in fatal maulings by dogs in the past few years..people love to say ''But bites have not cone down since Pitbulls &c were banned''
HOW do they know how bad it would have been had Pits and the other banned breeds been freely allowed?

In USA bites and deaths from Pits are so frequent as t be barely news worthy any more.

1 killed in Compton dog attack

A man is killed in a dog attack at a Compton home. Ted Chen reports for the NBC4 News at 11 a.m. on Friday Feb. 16, 2024.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCKRrKZRZ7s

Treehugger22 · 18/02/2024 20:25

My God you're OBSESSED with xl bullies just STOP every week it'd another thread on them or one being reactivated.
You aren't a breed expert and I can bet most the dogs you apparently seen with no muzzles ARE NOT xl bullies.

oakleaffy · 18/02/2024 21:40

Treehugger22 · 18/02/2024 20:25

My God you're OBSESSED with xl bullies just STOP every week it'd another thread on them or one being reactivated.
You aren't a breed expert and I can bet most the dogs you apparently seen with no muzzles ARE NOT xl bullies.

Decent people who care about children's safety , Pet's safety and human's safety don't want these shitty thug breeds in their communities.

Our Dog warden dislikes them as well.

SomeCatFromJapan · 18/02/2024 21:42

You aren't a breed expert and I can bet most the dogs you apparently seen with no muzzles ARE NOT xl bullies.

I thought XL Bullies weren't a breed but a type?

ForgottenPasswordNewAccount · 18/02/2024 21:46

I have never seen an xl bully in real life

Saladcreamdreams · 18/02/2024 23:06

I saw a man walking (i use the term walking loosely, he was dawdling along with the dog running around) an XL the other morning and an XL puppy. Neither one of leads.
The larger XL dog had a ball and the owner was shouting "Bella! Put the ball down.." dog ignoring the owner..puppy sniffing around, neither muzzled.
If the dog can't drop a ball on command, no lead in sight and the owner about 7 stone and no authority over the dogs how the hell could he control if it went crazy or attacked someone ??
My question- what could I do in that situation?? Phone the police?
Seen a man walking dogs.. would they take it seriously?? I was so scared, it was also near a kids park:( these xl dogs terrify me

oakleaffy · 19/02/2024 03:05

Saladcreamdreams · 18/02/2024 23:06

I saw a man walking (i use the term walking loosely, he was dawdling along with the dog running around) an XL the other morning and an XL puppy. Neither one of leads.
The larger XL dog had a ball and the owner was shouting "Bella! Put the ball down.." dog ignoring the owner..puppy sniffing around, neither muzzled.
If the dog can't drop a ball on command, no lead in sight and the owner about 7 stone and no authority over the dogs how the hell could he control if it went crazy or attacked someone ??
My question- what could I do in that situation?? Phone the police?
Seen a man walking dogs.. would they take it seriously?? I was so scared, it was also near a kids park:( these xl dogs terrify me

Video it and the owner discreetly and report to local dog warden or police.

@ForgottenPasswordNewAccount You are lucky not having seen one.
You probably live in an area far from Council estates where these things proliferate.

My friend who lives rurally in Cotswolds never sees them there- it's bliss to dog walk there.

oakleaffy · 19/02/2024 03:17

@Saladcreamdreams
An XL Bully was shot dead by armed police yesterday in England {walked without a muzzle} it attacked a man's pet dog and the pet dog's owner as he tried to save his pet.

At least the police shot the thing{??} {How else could it have died so quickly?} so it couldn't hurt anyone.

https://enfielddispatch.co.uk/man-seriously-injured-after-attack-by-xl-bully-dog-in-enfield-park/

Police carry away the deceased dog from Albany Park and (inset) an American bully dog (credit Rock City Kennels via Wikimedia Commons)

Man seriously injured after attack by ‘XL bully’ dog in Enfield park

Armed police attended the incident at Albany Park on Sunday afternoon

https://enfielddispatch.co.uk/man-seriously-injured-after-attack-by-xl-bully-dog-in-enfield-park/

SomeCatFromJapan · 19/02/2024 08:19

And another one in Scotland on Saturday. It mauled a collie and bit three people before the police shot it.

Gloriosaford · 19/02/2024 12:06

SomeCatFromJapan · 18/02/2024 21:42

You aren't a breed expert and I can bet most the dogs you apparently seen with no muzzles ARE NOT xl bullies.

I thought XL Bullies weren't a breed but a type?

Breeds are arbitrary manmade categories, the domestic dog is a subspecies of Canis lupus.

Gloriosaford · 19/02/2024 12:08

Treehugger22 · 18/02/2024 20:25

My God you're OBSESSED with xl bullies just STOP every week it'd another thread on them or one being reactivated.
You aren't a breed expert and I can bet most the dogs you apparently seen with no muzzles ARE NOT xl bullies.

Because the fecking things are going round killing and seriously injuring people and their pets.

SomeCatFromJapan · 19/02/2024 12:16

Breeds are arbitrary manmade categories, the domestic dog is a subspecies of Canis lupus.

I don't disagree, just that I kept getting told that by the bully fans.

Frequency · 19/02/2024 12:22

They're not officially recognised as a breed by the UK kennel club. They are recognised by the American KC and they do have an unofficial breed club in the UK.

Gloriosaford · 19/02/2024 12:37

oakleaffy · 19/02/2024 03:17

@Saladcreamdreams
An XL Bully was shot dead by armed police yesterday in England {walked without a muzzle} it attacked a man's pet dog and the pet dog's owner as he tried to save his pet.

At least the police shot the thing{??} {How else could it have died so quickly?} so it couldn't hurt anyone.

https://enfielddispatch.co.uk/man-seriously-injured-after-attack-by-xl-bully-dog-in-enfield-park/

Edited

This is very encouraging the prospect of summary execution of the land shark will surely focus the minds of the owners?
Or will it backfire, will the land shark owners now all go out packing heat?😳

HappiestSleeping · 19/02/2024 13:11

Frequency · 19/02/2024 12:22

They're not officially recognised as a breed by the UK kennel club. They are recognised by the American KC and they do have an unofficial breed club in the UK.

No, they are not recognised by the American Kennel Club.

bingoringo4 · 19/02/2024 15:15

@HappiestSleeping they are recognised by the American bully kennel club. I think that's what she was trying to say.

tennesseewhiskey1 · 19/02/2024 15:20

Ffs these dogs ☠️. I saw one bit a horse this weekend.

MixedCouple · 19/02/2024 15:23

It isnt just XL either my area very small town has seen a few dog attacks on local pathways along the river. I often walk their with DS and have taking to carrying a small multitool with knife (legal) in my pocket just encase. Sorry but if a dog owner lets their dog near my DC showing any aggression I have no heaitation to defend my child ane put that dog down myself.

HappiestSleeping · 19/02/2024 15:27

bingoringo4 · 19/02/2024 15:15

@HappiestSleeping they are recognised by the American bully kennel club. I think that's what she was trying to say.

You are bang on. I sort of guessed. But that isn't the American Kennel Club. Worth highlighting the distinction as even the Americans don't recognise them officially.

I should have added that in my post, so thank you for keeping me honest.