XL Bullies to be destroyed now!

[Babycatsarenice]

Sick of these monsters still being on our streets (I never see them muzzled as their irresponsible owners don't comply) and worse still knowing that they are still in homes with children.

AIBU that they should be put to sleep NOW

Might be the kindest thing to do. And good for the human gene pool.

Australia banned the importation of pit bulls 15 years ago. AND heavily regulated other bully types. No Idea what's happened in the UK .It's like nobody was watching!
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No idea and not my business.

There was a woman severely mauled by what looks to be a pitbull type in Australia recently..

They are now trying to say it’s a French Mastiff, but they have a very different look.

Probably the rescue centre that rehomed the Pit called it that. ( Happens so often when breed types are deliberately mislabelled)

Just because it’s reddish I’m surprised the rescue centre didn’t try labelling the violent brute as an Irish setter.

veterinary professionals don't generally enter the profession to put healthy animals to sleep

One could argue that the breed is inherently psychologically unwell and that there is no ethical issue here.

Have you any statistics on what veterinarians actually think about the ethics of putting dangerous dogs, potentially the (most) dangerous breeds, and/or dogs bred to have major spinal or breathing difficulties, for example, to sleep?

My dad’s neighbour has a dog I believe is one and it got into his garden the other day.
My dad is 82 I am so worried about it.

These XL's are incredibly powerful and can and do crash through fencing/hedges like tanks to get to where they want to be.

They are often escaping and that is how the poor chap in Sheffield was killed , when two maulers got out of a window and into his elderly mother's garden.

Definitely check your father's boundaries.

Report if you feel your father could be in danger from a potentially dangerous dog.

These have an attraction to attacking vulnerable people, people who are zero threat to them.

Your Dad deserves to be safe in his home and garden.

@VeryHungrySeaCucumber

veterinary professionals don't generally enter the profession to put healthy animals to sleep

One could argue that the breed is inherently psychologically unwell and that there is no ethical issue here.

One could, if they were a breed which they are not.

Have you any statistics on what veterinarians actually think about the ethics of putting dangerous dogs, potentially the (most) dangerous breeds, and/or dogs bred to have major spinal or breathing difficulties, for example, to sleep?

A dog with spinal or brachycephalic issues would not be considered healthy so a different argument. As far as healthy XL bullies go a vet times survey found three quarter of vets and nurses objected.

https://www.vettimes.co.uk/news/euthanasia-of-xl-bully-dogs-tragic-and-pointless-endeavour/

The euthanisia of individuals belonging to this breed-that-apparently-isn't-a-breed is far, far less tragic than the humans killed in dog attacks, a large percentage which are now being carried out by this - what should I call it if it isn't a breed? Type?

It's also far more tragic for people to have their pet dogs mauled to death on a walk than for any dog to be humanely put down.

Well, I would say this:
the recent case of a child being attacked in the flats we can avoid and make our children avoid moving around near our own homes.

• don't go out with someone who owns a dangerous breed.

In the case of a child attacked by a dog on a play date - we can avoid our children going to homes with these dogs.

• yes, exactly - don't send your child somewhere with a dangerous dog

In the case of the dogs that have got into their neighbours gardens and killed or savaged them - we can avoid using our own gardens - particularly if we know our neighbours or people nearby have these dogs.

• if you know your neighbour has a dangerous dog, I would probably be tempted to make sure the fence was secure.

In the case of owners being attacked and killed in the home or their children we can avoid owning these dogs.

• yes, exactly right. You can't complain about the dogs attacking people and also defend their right to own this type of dog.

Of course, there are completely unavoidable situations, such as the dog walker, and the petrol station, however, you know you are being extreme.

What I mean is for the people who say "there's always an un-muzzled XL Bully in the place I go to do xxx" - go somewhere else. I know you shouldn't have to, but there are a lot of things you shouldn't have to do in this life.

Personally, I haven't had to change my habits one bit as dog attacks such as these are infinitesimally unlikely.

Rather than bleating on about it on this and other forums, we should be lobbying our MPs to pass legislation to control the breeders. That would be a much more sensible step forward.

Why didn't you quote me so I could reply personally? Did you just want a wee rant in peace?

You are entitled to your opinion and as I said, leave us to our animals and we'll leave you with your children or whatever brings you joy.

However, there is no need to be rude and what you said makes you sound like you lack empathy and are incapable of understanding your fellow human.

I hope I'm wrong because going through life like that must be hard.

Ah no, I was right. You have no empathy whatsoever.

The point of the post was that she has a bond with her cat that has kept her alive but I see you skipped right over that bit just to make your point.

That's really sad.

The point being that a pet domestic cat will not maul someone to death.

A mauler dog can and will kill people, cats, and smaller dogs.

No one NEEDS a mauler dog type, bred to fight , there are plenty of perfectly nice dogs around that don't destroy other people's {or animal's } lives.

That was the point.

I’m vegetarian and dislike any sort of cruelty to animals….but children/innocent people are far more important in this case. It’s terrifying and everyone who thinks their XL could never turn is either incredibly naive or just stupid.

@Fannyfiggs you cannot quote a quite on the app. I did quote you, in bold, and self-evidently you were perfectly able to find the post and respond in person.

As for your personal insults followed by accusations of others being rude, I shall leave you to your cognitive dissonance.

I did say you sounded like... not that you were. I don't think that's rude, it's an observation.

Telling someone to 'get a grip' because you don't agree with them is rude.

Just my opinion though, do what you want with it.

I see. Making "observations" about someone (whom you have never observed) which involve personal insults about their character is quite obviously far ruder than commenting on someone's opinions indicating they have skewed views of reality. That is why personal insults are against the Talk Guidelines whereas telling someone to "get a grip" is not. The irony of you insulting people then telling them you believe they are rude seems entirely lost on you. But, whatever. 🥱

Not true. I know 3 people who have XL Bullies and they have followed the rules to the letter. Don't tar them all with the same brush.

I'm glad of the ban because with the breed increasing exponentially, more so than any other because so many got them to breed and make them easy money, the thought of where we would be in 5 years time was horrifying.

Now we are left with the same old problem of what we do about anti social behaviour and how we stop the next breed being adopted/created by the lowlife. It is a problem the world over and nobody has found a solution. What seems like smart legislation soon falls apart because it is never enforced.

The Calgary model is mentioned all the time. They don't even use it themselves nowadays because it was resource heavy and Hurricane Katrina bought in an influx of pitbulls.

Any breeding legislation favours large businesses. Especially with a young family you want a puppy brought up in a home, surrounded by all the normal sounds of the home, handled by people of both sexes and all ages. Not in purpose built kennels out the back.

I do understand the stress put on staff having to put healthy dogs down. But vets also have a duty to public health. Unsurprisingly, from those I've spoken to, the vets who've had to try and put cats and dogs back together again after being mauled by an xl lean towards the ban, imperfect as it is.

And please stop insulting the public with the chihuahua/small dog argument. Whatever their temperament xls cannot be stopped by strong adult humans. They certainly can't be pulled off whatever they are attacking in most circumstances. Clearly by the laws of physics they are potentially more dangerous than the majority of breeds popular in the UK.

So are we arguing for the instant destruction of all dogs physically capable of killing a human?

Bullmastiffs
Tibetan Mastiffs
Mastiff
Pyrenean Mastiff
Dogue De Bordeaux
Akita
Rottweilers
Kangals
Pyrenean Mountain Dogs
Kuvasz
Anatolian Shepherd
Bouvier des Flandres
Giant Schnauzer
Russian Black Terrier...

There are more but off the top of my head, any one of those would be capable of killing a person, they're also all bred to be pretty independent, not very human friendly or willing to use aggression towards certain animals or people or both.

And yet ... we don't see reports of these breeds killing people. Why is that, they've the size, if size and breeding for a 'not a pet role' is why XL bullies are killing people and ownership is not a factor... why aren't these breeds routinely killing people?

I'd also like to know why, if the issue is breed and breed alone and nothing to do with owner responsibility (or lack thereof), every single publicised attack has been the direct result of owner mishandling?

People often point to the dogs who jumped through a window as an example of ownership being irrelevant but those dogs were well-known in the area for straying, plus it's pretty fucking easy to stop your dog from jumping through an open window. My dog can get through my downstairs windows so I make sure the front windows are only ever opened on the latch.

Ditto the dog walker who was killed by her own dog. The dog was a new rescue she had only had for a short time. She was walking it with a large number of strange dogs of mixed sex and size. It was a disaster waiting to happen. The number of dogs she was walking, regardless of the presence of the XL was a disaster waiting to happen.

Neither of those owners was acting responsibly.

Irresponsible owners are often drawn to large and aggressive dog types.
Half an hour ago a beggar with an unleashed, unmuzzled and no collared dog was allowing it to hang off tree branches by it’s mutated pumpkin head.
Had I not wanted to get by quickly with my small dog I’d have video’d it
Someone warned us of it - hopefully they were able to have recorded it.

Irresponsible owners are often drawn to large and aggressive dog types.

Precisely why banning breeds is like trying to scoop water with a colander. The problem is at the other end of the lead. Once the XL is out of their hands they will move to the next breed and any breed can become aggressive under the wrong set of circumstances.

In ten years I can guarantee we will be back here debating the Cane Corso and the number of dog-related fatalities will have remained the same. Just as it did when we banned pitbull types.

Until we look at the other end of the lead for a solution nothing will change.

There are a few who live round my way. Most have muzzles on, one or two dont. Either way they don’t trouble me or my dog. I remember the drama with dobermans snd Rottweilers at the time. They are looking are looking at the wrong end of the lead imo. There will be another breed that dodgy breeders and shitty owners will go for next- my money s on cane corsos and they will cause a bigger problem than any bully breed

Vets in the uk are not obliged to euthanise healthy animals OP.
It would be impossible to euthanise all xl bullies within the current law without that change having serious affects on all other animals.

The veterinary profession would also have to change their professional code of conduct and get all existing vets to sign up to that in order to euthanise all xl bullies.
The idea, therefore, that all xl bullies should all be destroyed now is simply logistically, legally and ethically a non starter.