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To not pick up dog poo...

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Moonfishstar · 13/02/2024 05:54

... when in a quiet forest, but to flick it with a stick into dense undergrowth instead?

I don't see any issue with this, but I've got a feeling lots will disagree with me, so I wanted to get some other opinions.

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Emily1583 · 14/02/2024 22:33

oOmoonhaOo · 14/02/2024 22:30

Yes I am! I assess risk for outdoor activities, which includes writing a risk assessment on each venue

Then you'd know the best mode of risk assessment is cutting out the risk altogether at the source. Aka picking up the dog shit.

Kendodd · 14/02/2024 22:36

Emily1583 · 14/02/2024 22:23

Oh here we go. The go find a video or a quote to discount a possible scenario argument. Why not just exercise the same effort and caution to pick up dog shit in a forest as you would in a built up area? Is it laziness, or the shame of being spotted in a built up area that is absent in a forest?

No, it's not laziness, honestly it's not. In my case it's least worse option (that I'm willing to change). My calculation is that the environment harm from the poo bag, its collection and disposal is worse than the environmental harm of 'stick and flick'. The chance a child will pick it up and get sick, just isn't a factor because the chance they'll come across it is just so remote. I am willing to consider the downstream sickness risks of it though, it leaching into the soil, then into waterways etc .

Emily1583 · 14/02/2024 22:36

oOmoonhaOo · 14/02/2024 22:32

If you want to cut risk for yourself from that forest all together then don’t enter that forest.

This has become bloody ridiculous and apparent that I’m arguing with someone who does not have a clue!

Oh ok, so everyone has to take a 'risk assessment' of whether or not to enter a forest, purely because one cannot be bothered to pick up their dog shit. Yeah that's brilliant that is.

Kendodd · 14/02/2024 22:39

Emily1583 · 14/02/2024 22:33

Then you'd know the best mode of risk assessment is cutting out the risk altogether at the source. Aka picking up the dog shit.

No it's not. I'm also a H&S professional. Risks have to be balanced against benefits. Prime example- skiing.

Emily1583 · 14/02/2024 22:40

Kendodd · 14/02/2024 22:36

No, it's not laziness, honestly it's not. In my case it's least worse option (that I'm willing to change). My calculation is that the environment harm from the poo bag, its collection and disposal is worse than the environmental harm of 'stick and flick'. The chance a child will pick it up and get sick, just isn't a factor because the chance they'll come across it is just so remote. I am willing to consider the downstream sickness risks of it though, it leaching into the soil, then into waterways etc .

Justifying it with another type of hazard is just kicking the same problem down a different road. Yeah you get points for going down one road for ethical reasons but still lose points for going down a different road. You still buy the same poo bag as you would for using in a built up area when people are watching.

SabrinaThwaite · 14/02/2024 22:40

Barquentine · 14/02/2024 22:13

We exempted ourselves because as always the uk put profit over health. The uk exempted themselves all the time from all sorts of policies…..we had special privileges
It was banned for use on dairy cattle to increase yield in 1999/ 2000

It could still be in imported meat as its still used in lice treatments and so on

Did the UK exempt itself?

The EU decision in 1990 only allowed rBST to be used for research purposes in member states.

Copperoliverbear · 14/02/2024 22:41

It's disgusting not to pick it up,

Emily1583 · 14/02/2024 22:41

Kendodd · 14/02/2024 22:39

No it's not. I'm also a H&S professional. Risks have to be balanced against benefits. Prime example- skiing.

What are the benefits of not picking up dog shit exactly?

Prunesqualler · 14/02/2024 22:43

Emily1583 · 14/02/2024 22:31

Can't be bothered to pick up dog shit. Thinks speeding down country lanes doesn't have the same consequences as driving in a built up area. Both purely based upon ones 'risk assessment'....I win this moral argument hands down.

Emily if you drove @ 30mph down a country lane you would cause more problems than anyone actually driving at the actual speed limit.
Apreciate what you’re saying but you would not only cause road rage the amount of people trailing behind you ( as you drive well below the speed limit ) and subsequently trying to get past you could easily cause a crash.

I see it all the time when sheep are on the way to market or tractors of hay, at least they realise they are going too slow and pull to the side though..

Going so far under the speed limit is Far more likely to cause an accident.

Emily1583 · 14/02/2024 22:47

Prunesqualler · 14/02/2024 22:43

Emily if you drove @ 30mph down a country lane you would cause more problems than anyone actually driving at the actual speed limit.
Apreciate what you’re saying but you would not only cause road rage the amount of people trailing behind you ( as you drive well below the speed limit ) and subsequently trying to get past you could easily cause a crash.

I see it all the time when sheep are on the way to market or tractors of hay, at least they realise they are going too slow and pull to the side though..

Going so far under the speed limit is Far more likely to cause an accident.

Taking about speeding, aka going above the designated speed limit, not driving at a legal speed that another might consider merely as inconvenient. Going over the speed limit in a country lane has the potential devastating result as that of going over the speed in a built up area.

oOmoonhaOo · 14/02/2024 22:47

Emily1583 · 14/02/2024 22:41

What are the benefits of not picking up dog shit exactly?

Poo bags in landfill

Theminer · 14/02/2024 22:48

Rural roads are more dangerous for all users- more people die from speeding related accidents on rural roads (as well as more dying there in general).

oOmoonhaOo · 14/02/2024 22:48

Emily1583 · 14/02/2024 22:47

Taking about speeding, aka going above the designated speed limit, not driving at a legal speed that another might consider merely as inconvenient. Going over the speed limit in a country lane has the potential devastating result as that of going over the speed in a built up area.

No it doesn’t!

Theminer · 14/02/2024 22:49

oOmoonhaOo · 14/02/2024 22:48

No it doesn’t!

It does. Speeding kills more people on rural roads than urban ones (and rural roads kill more people in general).

oOmoonhaOo · 14/02/2024 22:51

Theminer · 14/02/2024 22:49

It does. Speeding kills more people on rural roads than urban ones (and rural roads kill more people in general).

But the risk to others is less. Which @Emily1583 is saying. That’s who I replying to.

I’m more likely to kill myself on a country lane than hit another person, compared to if I was doing 40 in a town.

Kendodd · 14/02/2024 22:52

Emily1583 · 14/02/2024 22:41

What are the benefits of not picking up dog shit exactly?

You don't use a bag, pollution from the production of the bag, use of earth resources (usually oil) . Disposal of bag, truck journeys, pollution from truck, risk of rtc from trucks. Workers collecting poo getting contaminated. Disposal of poo itself (in fairness, I don't know how this happens and could possibly have some benefits, ie, could have some industrial uses). I would seriously expect the risks of picking up the poo in the remote countryside locations I walk my dog I would have a higher chance of contamination, and sickness from accidently getting poo on my hands, than there would be of a child coming across it and then getting sick.

Emily1583 · 14/02/2024 22:53

oOmoonhaOo · 14/02/2024 22:47

Poo bags in landfill

The very same poo bags you'd pick up dog shit in a built up area with because someone might spot you...

Prunesqualler · 14/02/2024 22:53

Emily1583 · 14/02/2024 22:47

Taking about speeding, aka going above the designated speed limit, not driving at a legal speed that another might consider merely as inconvenient. Going over the speed limit in a country lane has the potential devastating result as that of going over the speed in a built up area.

Not talking about going over the speed limit in either.
Talking about going faster down country lanes.
As…The speed limit on country lanes is not as low as for built up areas.
Theres a reason for that and it’s based on risk.

Hence my example above re dangers of driving on country lanes using town speed limits.
This was the previous discussion between yourself and OOO

Emily1583 · 14/02/2024 22:54

Kendodd · 14/02/2024 22:52

You don't use a bag, pollution from the production of the bag, use of earth resources (usually oil) . Disposal of bag, truck journeys, pollution from truck, risk of rtc from trucks. Workers collecting poo getting contaminated. Disposal of poo itself (in fairness, I don't know how this happens and could possibly have some benefits, ie, could have some industrial uses). I would seriously expect the risks of picking up the poo in the remote countryside locations I walk my dog I would have a higher chance of contamination, and sickness from accidently getting poo on my hands, than there would be of a child coming across it and then getting sick.

Do you not use same said plastic bags to pick up dog shit in a built up area though??

Prunesqualler · 14/02/2024 22:56

Kendodd · 14/02/2024 22:52

You don't use a bag, pollution from the production of the bag, use of earth resources (usually oil) . Disposal of bag, truck journeys, pollution from truck, risk of rtc from trucks. Workers collecting poo getting contaminated. Disposal of poo itself (in fairness, I don't know how this happens and could possibly have some benefits, ie, could have some industrial uses). I would seriously expect the risks of picking up the poo in the remote countryside locations I walk my dog I would have a higher chance of contamination, and sickness from accidently getting poo on my hands, than there would be of a child coming across it and then getting sick.

@Kendodd
some of it is burnt
some tiny amount tho is used as fuel
the majority of councils have neither the money nor resources ( ours doesn’t) and it goes to landfill.

oOmoonhaOo · 14/02/2024 22:57

Emily1583 · 14/02/2024 22:53

The very same poo bags you'd pick up dog shit in a built up area with because someone might spot you...

I don’t walk my dog in built up areas.

Emily1583 · 14/02/2024 22:57

Prunesqualler · 14/02/2024 22:53

Not talking about going over the speed limit in either.
Talking about going faster down country lanes.
As…The speed limit on country lanes is not as low as for built up areas.
Theres a reason for that and it’s based on risk.

Hence my example above re dangers of driving on country lanes using town speed limits.
This was the previous discussion between yourself and OOO

Of course there are different speed limits but going over that said speed limit be it country lane is the same as going over the speed limit in a built up area.

Donoteven · 14/02/2024 22:58

I walk my dog, off path, through the forest beside us every morning. I don't want your dog's shit on my shoes or my DC's shoes even though we aren't using a path. Takes 2 seconds and no effort to scoop the poop.

Kendodd · 14/02/2024 23:00

Emily1583 · 14/02/2024 22:54

Do you not use same said plastic bags to pick up dog shit in a built up area though??

I do. Because I don't usually walk my dog in urban areas though I use a lot fewer bags overall. Also, in urban areas the risk/benefit ratio shifts. Besides the pure risk factor, dog shit in urban areas or places where people might step in it (even if health risks were zero) is just unpleasant and an annoyance we don't need.

oOmoonhaOo · 14/02/2024 23:01

Donoteven · 14/02/2024 22:58

I walk my dog, off path, through the forest beside us every morning. I don't want your dog's shit on my shoes or my DC's shoes even though we aren't using a path. Takes 2 seconds and no effort to scoop the poop.

This isn’t e remote situation though. In the area you describe I would pick it up