To think this is a vote winner (though not election clincher) from Sunak?

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Thought this was an impressive and clear response to the question, from Rishi. I suppose Labour will likely win by a landslide, because many people don’t care enough about women’s rights. Because I do care very much about women’s rights, I may vote Conservative for the first time ever (cue outrage for Lion). Will I regret it? Possibly. But I’d regret voting for Labour (aka women’s rights removers), even more.

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1757143443111841900

You really don't get it. A TW is as likely to assault me as a man. So it's completely wrong to suggest that TW are any safer than other males. So if you let TW in, why not let all other males in? At least that way there is safety in numbers and honesty about there being no single sex spaces.

Can you link to the source please.

All of them?
That they are all men/male I accept.
They are predatory in about the same proportions as other men I’d guess.
So trans women aren’t the enemy any more than men are.

I am more afraid of male police officers than I am of trans women, tbh.

Only cis women though, so apparently that makes it all fine

Cis is a slur, I am not a subset of my sex class thanks.

Do you actually think you can convince people that the steaming piles of shit the Tories have heaped on women and children over the last decade don't exist?

And believe that they will do something about this issue when all the things you're complaining about have happened under their watch and they could easily do something about, but don't?

My vote is for whoever has the best chance of getting this current bunch of selfish, greedy, incompetent, lying arseholes out.

No one has said trans people should cease 'existing'. No one. Not one person. What we are saying, is that no male should have access to womens safe single sex spaces. 97% (per medical data) of transwomen RETAIN their penis and testicles. They are male in every single way possible. Except their 'say so'. And we all know how males word can be trusted, right? This is what this is about. Do women and girls have the right to single sex spaces. Yes, or no? That's the question. And I do mean sex. Not 'gender identity'.

Perhaps you can tell us what is the difference between a male with cock and balls who identifies as a man, and a male with cock and balls who identifies as a woman? The below sums it up quite well:

As others have very eloquently put it in this thread, it is the job of the opposition to oppose the current government.

If we are to fully blame the Tories for the erosion of women's rights to single sex spaces (ignoring the fact, as many do, that the legislation that enabled it was the GRA 2004 and the Equality Act 2010 -both enacted by the last Tory government) then why doesn't the Labour Party acknowledge how awful things have become for women?

If it is the Governments fault that we've had rapists in women's prisons, children sexually assaulted by a trans woman in the toilet of Morrisons supermarket, Women in this country unable to get single sex rape crisis, men competing and winning in women's sport, a male cross dresser winning a women in business prize etc etc etc, then why doesn't Labour oppose these things?

Instead Labour intend to make the process of a male getting his birth certificate amended so it says he's female even easier, they don't intend to amend the Equality Act to tighten it so that these males can be kept out of single sex spaces for women and they have hinted that they will make misgendering or objecting to this erosion of rights a hate crime.

You really don't have to be a Tory voter to despair with Labour on this. Why oh why when they've seen the harms to women do they persist with this anti woman position.

As a woman and a mother of a girl I just cannot vote for them unless they back track on these things. THEY have lost my vote. They could so easily get it back but they don't want to.

That's true. There are transwomen that use the mens, and don't infiltrate womens spaces or sports. But there are many that do. Transphobia is a fear of transpeople. I don't fear transpeople. I fear men.

Don't worry. I'm sure that all of the women who have been forced into poverty by this current government, the women who are unable to access essential healthcare, and the women whose rape cases aren't being prosecuted etc are taking great comfort in the fact that, for all of the hardships and injustices that they might be facing, the Tories do at least recognise the biological sex of the people that they've been shafting. That's all that matters, isn't it?

So true. In fact, evidence shows transwomen commit sexual offences at a rate of 6 times higher than so-called 'cis' men. 'Cis' men on a whole, don't colonise and invade womens spaces. It many sound strange, but I feel safer with 'cis' men than with transwomen. https://fairplayforwomen.com/criminality/

and https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

I can because OP was using my words.

Blackstone Chambers talks about the impact in paragraph 14-15 of this legal advice.

https://www.blackstonechambers.com/documents/Transgender_Issues_in_the_Law_-_2023_in_Review.pdf

The Labour Party's current position is that no amendments to the Equality Act are required. This is not true as TW with a GRC will be covered by the pc of both sex and gender. If a singe sex space provider says that they cannot enter a space they risk a successful claim under the Equality Act.

So it is not unreasonable for women to ask Labour to commit to amending the Equality Act to prevent males, including those with GRCs from entering single sex spaces reserved for females.

As you will see from the note Badenoch is looking to amend the act to resolve this.

If we are to fully blame the Tories for the erosion of women's rights to single sex spaces (ignoring the fact, as many do, that the legislation that enabled it was the GRA 2004 and the Equality Act 2010 -both enacted by the last Tory government) then why doesn't the Labour Party acknowledge how awful things have become for women?

I've just noticed a significant typo in my last post. It was the Labour Party who enacted the Equality Act and the Gender Recognition Act that have enabled males to enter single sex spaces, not the Tory government.

It does depend where you live, but if Labour are the only option of ousting the Tories, then not voting for Labour is a vote for the Tories. I do think that is something to consider.

I personally believe both you and your daughter will be much worse for under the Tories. They could easily undo all the things you've spoken about, but they haven't and they very likely won't.

Not to mention all the other things they've done that directly and negatively impact women and children. Look at the disgustingly underfunded children's mental health services. Look at the way they have basically taken away legal aid for domestic violence. Look at the amount of women and children living in poverty now. Imagine the NHS with 7 more years of Tories actively trying to destroy it.

They are the worst option for women and children by any measure I can think of.

This exact quotes are from a previous poster. They summarised the issue better than I, so I used their words.

So much about this you can find yourself, but just one I found is here:

https://thecritic.co.uk/Ministers-must-grasp-the-nettle-on-equality-law/

This btw ^^ is a link from a Guardian article.

@CrappySack I live in a Tory stronghold and won't vote for them.

I'm dumbfounded though by women who just let this slide because anything is better than Tory.

Why not lobby your prospective candidate on these issues and say you're not happy?

That Labour think so little of women they won't put these things right and women don't object completely baffles me. This is how they get away with it.

You don't have to vote Tory to let Labour know this is not good enough.

That Labour think so little of women they won't put these things right and women don't object completely baffles me. This is how they get away with it

Yes, what the Labour supporters on here fail to acknowledge is that Labour could win back the trust of women in one short press conference - but they will not do it. Why won't they do it? Because they are mired in stupid gender ideology and think nothing of the women they are alienating. My vote is not important enough to them so they will not get it.

I wish the POW would stand a candidate where I am but I am pretty sure that this won't happen so I shall be spoiling my ballot once again.

I’m not saying they’re not. But I would rather vote for a party who are more likely to do more for a wider group of vulnerable people. Utilitarianism innit?

So 14 years and nothing done. Clearly they were quite happy with the status quo..
until of course they’re at risk of losing a GE and they then discover a nice section of the electorate they can exploit pretty much like they did with the EU and immigration 😂 women …..

Anyone who cares about women's rights wouldn't vote Conservative

You don't have to vote Tory to let Labour know this is not good enough

definitely. Where I am it’s been Tory for like 200 years so it probably won’t make a difference but I’d be looking at voting strategically to maximise the chances of ousting the local Tory twat. Which will probably be Lib Dems.

Perhaps read my other posts Effie,

14 years of the harms of the Tories are clear to Labour and they intend to make it even easier for men to falsify their birth certificates.

Why aren't the Labour Party outraged by what the Tories have done to women? Instead they don't think the Tories have gone far enough!

You don't have to vote Tory to let Labour know this is not good enough

And yet I will.

I don't hold out any hope that even a landslide loss to the Tories would wake them though; the current incarnation of the Labour party needs binning and rebuilding from scratch.

It would help, but we’d also need candidates and parties to vote for who actually consider women’s interests and keep in mind that they’re meant to be representing us.

Why aren't the Labour Party outraged by what the Tories have done to women? Instead they don't think the Tories have gone far enough!

Yes this.