11 plus exam - Daughter’s friend admitted to cheating

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Hi all,

Hope you can help with some opinions as this is swimming round in my head.
Sorry it’s long - I’ve tried to keep in all important details.

About half the kids in my daughter’s school year recently sat the 11plus exam at the big local private school. Out of about 170 kids who took the exam (in total from lots of local schools) 20 were invited back for a scholarship assessment day as they had done well in the exam.
My daughter (DD) was invited, as was her very good friend (VGF) and another boy in their class.
On the day of the assessment VGF was ill so couldn’t attend.
The assessment day consisted of a few different classes where the children were watched and their contribution was assessed. Then they all had individual interviews with the head mistress.
As VGF couldn’t attend the day she was offered the online assessment. She told my daughter what that consisted of which was some online tests, then a zoom interview with the head.
My daughter didn’t get the scholarship, nor did the other boy from their class.
However, VGF got offered an academic scholarship. My daughter was with her over the weekend and she told my daughter she had used her calculator and phone in the test - obviously completely not allowed but no one was monitoring her. She did the test in her bedroom and her mum was downstairs.
I don’t really know how to feel about this.
We’ve chosen another school - sort of off the back of her not getting the scholarship. The other boy who didn’t get it cannot now apply for a bursary which they need to attend the school as you ned to get a scholarship to qualify for a bursary.
I’m not saying my daughter or this other boy would have got it. VGF may have got it from the interview or god knows what else - who knows how they choose these things.
But I feel this is so unfair. For a start, they weren’t on level playing fields. Some kids may have fared far better sitting an online test than in a classroom environment.
I’m good friends with VGFs parents - they’re lovely.
My daughter is now trying to back track and say maybe VGF was joking about using her phone. I think she’s scared I’m going to say something.
There’s no doubt about it, to say something would cause a big fallout somewhere along the line.
And VGF would I’m sure deny it and how could anyone prove either way.

I just really wanted to offload and get some opinions.

Thanks for listening

Why because I’m calling you out on your behaviour.

arent we trying to be kind here?

if you have a constructive point to make or question to ask, cool.
but getting nasty - not cool

Nobody has any obligation to be kind, op. You really are thin skinned.

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You reported my post because I said your comments were passive aggressive?!?

This is what it looks like when someone loses an argument they feel entitled to win 😝

Not reported by me.
Sorry to disappoint

uh huh

You have given a fantastic retort though in ‘you are bringing your pain to this thread.’ That’s definitely not passive aggressive, I love it!

You're coming across as more emotionally affected than you’re letting on. You also don’t have any evidence that this girl did cheat. You’re insistent she did actually cheat and didn’t make it up or just say it because that’s what kids do. How many kids say “oh I didn’t revise” when you know they did?!

You have no evidence that the girl actually said it. If she did, she's lying for whatever reason. Online exams are monitored on Zoom otherwise many students would cheat.

I'm sure you've school having gone down in your estimation will be totally devastated!

How does your Daughter not getting into that school have any impact to the Boy's bursary?

Maybe the test was something that a phone/ calculator wouldn't help with?

Indeed. Op says there were 20 kids being considered, yet she seems to think it was a 3 horse race.

OP, again, if this school asked this friend to do an online test with no cameras on, they would have known full well that the child could have help - from parents, anyone, calculators, you name it. They will have expected this even, and factored it in. Just like when kids do homework or tests at home.

Nobody else took this test. Theodore, it can't be heavily weighted in the decision process.

They interviewed her and all the others - and that was that (alongside the 11 plus exam).

I’ve been through the scholarship process. If they wanted the boy they would have offered him a place (sorry to be blunt). Sometimes they offer quite a few scholarships sometimes none. They don’t have a specific number in mind. Well our school didn’t anyway. It’s down to many factors. Not just one exam on one day.

I was assuming the boy's family could only afford a subsidised place but he would have still received an offer for full fees. Therefore there was never any guarantee he could attend. If the school knew that and really wanted him they would make it financially possible.

I don’t think OP is saying that. She is saying that because the friend got the scholarship rather than the boy, that he cannot now apply for a bursary - it must be the school’s policy that they only consider bursaries for children that have also been awarded a scholarship.