Taylor Swift tickets

[WonderWoman17]

I realise this will be frowned upon by a lot of people but hear me out. I'm lucky enough to have been able to buy 4 very decent tickets to see Taylor Swift in August this year in London. I'm a big fan, the plan was to go with family, although the 'kids' are grown they enjoy her music and are happy to come along for the experience more than being fans.

The dilemma I have is that tickets are so rare and the tour seems to be such a phenomenon that people are willing to pay an extortionate amount for them. As a family that are struggling with cost of living and have a bit of debt, I find myself in the position on considering whether to advertise these tickets for way above what I paid for them (£190 a ticket). I have seen them advertised for as much as over £2k a ticket, and I find myself thinking if there is a parent out there that has the funds/means and motivation to want to pay £8k for these tickets, would I be an idiot for not selling them?

@WonderWoman17 as soon as you sell on tickets at inflated prices you become a tout .

Couple of things to note here;

1. Are you looking at US resale prices? There was a reason that all the VIP tickets had to be reduced and that was because the UK/European crowd simply refused to pay £600 for them. What makes you think they'll pay 2k? Just because tickets are listed for 2k doesn't mean anyone is buying them
2. Anything on Viagogo/Stubhub ect is a very likely a scam, tickets aren't available for transfer and won't be until a week or two before each show.
3. Axs and Ticketmaster can enforce this super easily. I've just looked in my app and as I expected they're "live tickets" It's a QR code that refreshes every 60 seconds, so no screenshots can be taken
4. I'm not sure if you've read the T&C not only of AXS/Ticketmaster but also StubHub/Viagogo it's extremely common practice when reselling tickets to not be paid until after the event. So it won't really help you in the cost of living crisis when you won't see the money until late August...

As I've already mentioned, I'm very much aware on how to buy / sell tickets and don't need advice or guidance around doing so. I would say, whilst I stated 2k a ticket and have seen them advertised as such, that was very much a figure I put out there to state how much they are listed for and not what I would expect to sell them for exactly. And as much as I don't know for sure people are buying them at that price, I would counter that you don't know that they aren't.

Having bought tickets on Viagogo and Stubhub many times with no issue it feels highly misleading to say these are likely scam tickets. The buyer is way more protected on these sites than the seller. It's also not just common practice to withhold payment, it is the practice.

Having gone along with a friend who bought 2 resale tickets to Hyde Park last summer to see Pink, these were QR live tickets but they were simply transferred over using the app. You must risk assess who and where you are buying from, but it's completely doable. It also states on the official Ticketmaster resale details that this will be an option for people closer to the event. It's not a lead booker event so this will be the main option for people and widely used, particularly for those whose parents bought their tickets and need to transfer them over to the actual people attending.

@WonderWoman17 you are starting to sound like a scammer yourself as you don’t seem to be aware of the resale policy at the moment…are you trying to elicit a sale on here?! These tickets are simply NOT available via stub hub and viagogo so please stop saying this.

I really don't know what to tell you, you are simply wrong. You stated that the official resale is not yet open - it is and has been since last year. You've stated there are no tickets on the unofficial resale sites, there are. You can look for yourself, it's very clear. Saying I'm not aware of something you clearly are clueless about is a bit of a stretch.

I'm not sure how me considering selling something for profit and discussing with other people their opinions or views on these, on a designated message board for such a potentially contentious topic, makes me a scammer. I certainly haven't offered to sell them to you!

facts are you have 3 options

1. go and have spent £800 on a great experience
2. resell legitimately via TM/AXS and have £800 less credit card debt
3. resell via unofficial means and potentially double your money (if they are good seats people might pay up to £400 per ticket, I doubt more than that), but you also run the risk of these being invalidated and therefore the sale terminated. So you would be down £800 with no concert to attend to show for it. If you really are in money troubles this high risk option is unwise.

@itsnotabouthepasta

You do know that Taylor was vindicated in that? Kim released an edited version of a voice message - when the full conversation was leaked, it was proven that Taylor had been telling the truth the whole time.

I think initially it was a misunderstanding. I can't find her or her reps initial response to the song but as far as I recall it made it sound like she hadn't been told about anything that was going to be in the song at all. During the phone call Kanye mentioned the line "I feel like me and Taylor will still have sex" and he seemed nervous about it like that was the worst part...but she found that part funny and said something about how it's fine, she was worried he had been planning on calling her a bitch or something like that like it was slating her and he was like no no....but the recording sounded like they were both being genuine and he thought that he had got approval for the worst part and her not wanting to be called a bitch seemed to go over his head because he was so focused on the other line in the song.

It’s not morally right, but I’ve been glad in the past to get tickets that others have sold, despite the inflated prices.

I was lucky enough to get Taylor tickets for August but I’ve paid £1k per ticket in the part to see other artists.

If you’re genuinely struggling to live, I think many others would do what you’re considering despite knowing it’s problematic. Feeding the kids and paying the bills sometimes means morals go out the window snd you do what you have to do to get through.

past not part

@kkloo I think Taylor was right though because she had specifically said all along she had never given her approval to be called "that bitch"

Kim edited the recording so when Taylor was saying "that's fine to say that", it was about the line "we might have sex", when in reality, Kanye had never told her he was going to call her "that bitch"

It should also be remembered that after that, when Taylor was forced into hiding for a year due to the backlash, Kanye also created a mock up dummy of her naked and used in his video without her consent. These days that should absolutely be seen as a form of digital revenge porn.

Even last week, the social media sites had to block searches of her name because fake AI naked images of her were circulating. Congress and now trying to put laws into place because the genie is well and truly out of the lamp

"I'm not a tout"

If you sell your tickets for more than you paid for them, you're a profiteering tout, no question. Decent fans sell at face value or less.

@itsnotabouthepasta
I believe that her original response didn't specify that her issue was with the words "that bitch" and it made it sound like she hadn't said any of it was ok. I can't find it now but spent ages searching for it the last time this came up on a thread.

And I've often said that as a Kanye fan I think the video for famous was one of the worst and most offensive things he's ever done and I don't know how it was allowed either!

@kkloo in case it's helpful I think it might be her Grammys AOTY acceptance speech for 1989, about not letting other people take credit for your success. If I'm remembering rightly her issue wasn't just being called a 'bitch' it was Kanye saying he made her famous

I believe that her original response didn't specify that her issue was with the words "that bitch" and it made it sound like she hadn't said any of it was ok. I can't find it now but spent ages searching for it the last time this came up on a thread.

@kkloo you might be right actually. I think it was that she said she didn't know he was going to call her a bitch, not that she knew she would be mentioned in a song and thats why the world said she was a liar.

But @SummaLuvin is also right. Kanye got the hump because she pointed out he hadn't made her famous - she was literally already having number one singles, albums and award wins by the time he crashed the stage at the VMAs,

We all know that Kanye hates women. Just look at the way he treats his poor wife now..,

My friend accidentally bought one ticket for nearly £400 thinking she was buying 4 tickets, she was so stressed with the whole process she didn’t notice. One ticket was no use to her so she put it up for sale via one of the official channels for a bit more than that, the extra in an attempt to cover the fees and insurance she’d bought (her mistaken purchase not valid for an insurance payout). She won’t actually receive the money until around/after the concert but the ticket sold in about 5 seconds.

@SummaLuvin No, it was this I think so if it was this then I'm incorrect with what I just said because only parts of the quote are shared elsewhere.

"Kanye did not call for approval, but to ask Taylor to release his single 'Famous' on her Twitter account. She declined and cautioned him about releasing a song with such a strong misogynistic message. Taylor was never made aware of the actual lyric, 'I made that b-tch famous.'

But I think it was a misunderstanding initially because if you listen to the tape Kanye seemed genuinely nervous about saying the line that they'd still have sex, it sounded like he thought that was the most offensive or misogynistic part.....and she laughed about that part. There didn't seem to be any part of the tape where she cautioned him about releasing a song with such a strong misogynistic message, because he never told her about that line. So to him I think he genuinely thought he had told her the worst part, and she didn't caution him at all, but then there was the statement making out she'd cautioned him not to release it, so in his eyes she was lying and trying to make him look like a liar.

I do think it was a misunderstanding initially that escalated because both sides genuinely thought they were telling the truth.

THIS.

I work for a music promotion company. We cancel all tickets sold via places like Viagogo.

Check your T&C but you will find resale for profit is normally against them.

@WonderWoman17 “Taylor Swift Eras tour: EUROPE & UK GENERAL T&Cs (Ticketmaster)1. Your ticket(s) are digital mobile tickets that will be delivered in the lead up to the show to the ticket agent's app/your account which you will be instructed to download to your smart device.

1. Your ticket purchase constitutes a personal, revocable license and, at all times, remains the property of the event organisers.
2. When arriving in groups, the lead booker must be present in order for the whole party to enter the venue. All members of the party should enter the venue at the same time.
3. Each ticket holder must be in possession of their ticket on their smart device.
4. In order for tickets to be valid, on arrival at the show each ticket holder may be requested to provide all of the following items alongside their ticket(s):

i) Photo ID (valid government-issued ID, driving license, passport) ii) Booking confirmation email

1. Your ticket(s) are sold by the event organisers directly to you the consumer. Any tickets purchased by businesses or traders in breach of the terms and conditions of ticket sale will be cancelled. By accepting these terms and conditions you confirm that you are a consumer.
2. Your ticket(s) will immediately become invalid if resold or offered for sale unless the sale is through the official ticket agent fan to fan exchange.

Tickets sold via third parties and other unauthorised outlets, including online auction sites, are not valid for admission. The resale of a ticket via unauthorized outlets renders it invalid and may lead to refusal of entry.

1. Ticket sales are limited to a maximum of (four) 4 per access code and customer.
2. Only tickets purchased through approved ticket agents (eBilet, Eventim, See Tickets, Ticketmaster, AXS) and official venue ticket agents) are valid for admission. The venue reserves the right to refuse admission.

10. You will need to use a mobile smartphone to access tickets. 11. You may be required as a condition of entry, to comply with any Covid 19 regulations, restrictions and/or entry requirements imposed at the time of the concert by the event organiser or relevant authority (and the event organiser reserves the right to refuse entry to the event if these are not complied with).”……..why would anyone wish to pay ££££ and then get their tickets cancelled on arrival?

Oh dear. I don't know if this is your first time going to a concert or buying tickets, but I can't explain this anymore than I already have. Please feel free to ignore this thread going forwards.

@WonderWoman17 its not but I’m talking about buying tickets legitimately in a way that protects both seller and buyer whereas u obvious don’t give a f… about all the swifties who are getting scammed and have been scammed already! Go ahead and fleece someone if that’s your ethics.

How many pms have you had offering to buy them OP?

Neon man.

Yes, go ahead and do what you will, OP, oh so Knowledgeable And Experienced Gig Goer; you've clearly justified it to yourself from the outset, whatever you choose to do. I'm not sure why you even bothered posting this thread tbh. 🤷‍♀️

Honestly, the way some people get so judgemental about these things! If there are people who can afford and are WILLING to pay extra, that's just fine!

Even if you're not in a tricky situation, go ahead and resell. The money is better in your pocket than someone who doesn't need it.

Honestly as someone who says they go to gigs alot, you should know that selling tickets for profit makes you no better than a tout.

I don't disagree with this thinking, I suppose the differentiation in my mind is that touts buy them with the express plan of selling on for profit, something I have not and have never done.

I would not sell these tickets for face value, for the supposed 25% cap on official resale, but it's an interesting dilemma when there are hypothetical figures of a much larger degree and you start considering what the true value of your experience is and how much you'd give that up for. It has made plenty of people angry though!