Doctors right to strike, should it be removed?

[DistinguishedSocialCommenator]

Hello
Several people within our families are doctors. Most started out wanting to care for people, but as time goes on, the reality of money, and spending comes into play for some.

PM Rishi Sunak in a tv interview partly balmed doctors strikes for failing to bring down hospital waiting lists. I rarely agree with a politician but in this case, I know he is right. EG, myself, my OH, one of our children and grandchildren have had their appointments cancelled because of strike impacts. Our children and grandchildren do have private healthcare but those do not cover pre-existing or you end up on the NHS with chorionic conditions.

Our police officers and armed forces personnel are not allowed to strike

AIBU to expect a no-strike agreement for doctors and possibly nurses. If agreed, give them 9 months' notice about no-strike agreements. I honestly believe hardly anyone would leave and those leaving would have possibly left the NHS anyway as some do and go to another country just like we get doctors from abroad. Their pay claims could be easily managed in the same way police/armed forces pay rises are managed as well of those MP's.

Failing to bring down hospital w/l lies with the present government and the growing of these waiting lists, the doctor's strikes have certainly made things a lot worse. We are regularly hearing on our news media about growing waiting lists and people waiting for urgent treatments and the waiting times in A&E departments etc

AIBU to feel that doctors should be made to sign a no-strike agreement with a few month's notice to have the no-strike agreement in place before next winter? Also, have a pay body set up like the ones our MP's enjoy.

Why? Please do provide us with some graphs, projections, links to data etc. That would be so great. Reputable sources please, GB News or the Daily Mail won't do.

Please, you asked for them, you know about them, so provide me with the Labour promises and evidence of how they will their total BS hypes that have no substance. Labour knows this and thats why they have no plan how to reduce waiting lists, how quickly, or where the funding is coming from as they are too scared to lose votes as the only way labour deals with stuff is tax, tax and tax again and then borrow, borow, borrow, borrow, borrow and borrow again

Tell me why its Labour councils are failing. Second thoughts don't bother as I know why - ie they are not capable of managing a budget - other councils do

So you think the 120 billion spent on the NHS is all well spent and the same amounts of money couldn't be spent more wisely? & nothing wrong with how we run Adult Social Care?

Great to hear, as you said up thread the NHS was badly managed.

btw i never mentioned anything about how Labour would fund the NHS... just how existing funding could be spent differently... keep up!

@DistinguishedSocialCommenator You do know that tory run councils have also had to go cap in hand to the Govt as well don't you? 'course you do!

OP, that isn't how it works on MN. I'm surprised you don't know that. If you make an assertion, you are expected to back it up - otherwise it is a legitimate target for a call of bullshit. So data, please - otherwise you're just making things up.

As a PP has said, Tory councils are now going bust because of the cuts.

Also let me leave you here with this (data, analysis, evidence, the sort of thing you present if you state something), if you're still thinking the Tories are historically better with the economy than Labour. it isn't that simple

And if you're going to say hey, that dates from 2021 - things haven't gone better for the Tories since then, have they?

Tell me why its Labour councils are failing.

It's councils of every political party. There’s plenty more where these came from.

https://www.newstatesman.com/spotlight/economic-growth/regional-development/2024/01/council-bankruptcy-tracker-local-government-authorities-finances#:~:text=Since%20then%20Slough%2C%20Croydon%2C%20Thurrock,forced%20to%20do%20the%20same.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12483445/English-councils-gone-bankrupt.html

https://insidecroydon.com/2023/11/27/backlash-against-hunt-as-tory-run-councils-feel-the-squeeze/

@Blossomtoes I salute you for including a Daily Mail link in there. Absolutely first class, well played!

YABVU. If doctors weren't allowed some means of asserting their rights, they would simply vote with their feet to work in the private sector and abroad. We would all be infinitely worse off.

And that is exactly what is happening. Junior drs are going abroad (so where do we get the consultants of the future?) and consultants are leaving the NHS at 55 for the private sector.

Not that the Tories care, look what they've done with other public services.

e.g Dental and Justice system.

Nothing works in this country anymore:

People are going into severe financial hardship because they cannot get Probate with in a year yet the HMRC insist on collecting Inheritance tax if due, inside 6 months.

Then look at the water and energy industries.

Just few years ago we were not in this mess, yet the solution, according to the OP is employment restrictions!!! FGS.

OP , If you think the most major problems in the NHS are the result of a few days of Dr strikes and not the culmination of serious undefunding for many years you must have your head in the sand ( or somewhere darker ) . In my Trust ,and others where I have colleagues, extra clinics were added at weekends and evenings to off set some of the cancellations , but as I suspect you have never worked a day in this organisation you wouldn't have a clue .

Really - what is stopping them?
Who will pay for their training, that is new doctors?

At what cost?

Really - what is stopping them?

Nothing. They're already leaving in droves to countries where pay and conditions are better. You've been told this many times.

In my Trust, Consultants have stepped up to cover the junior doctors. At the cost of their management and research time, in case you're interested, which is part of their salaries, so no extra financial cost.

Got any of that data I asked for to back your assertion earlier yet?

Who pays for their training? They do, and with a shit ton of interest. How can you not know that?

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The tories borrowed more money in the 8 years between 2012 and 2020 than Labour did. Ever.

You ve literally just been told that section 114 bankruptcies are happening in both Labour and Tory councils, i can only assume you re stuck in Broadcast Mode?

Here is another one: Labour will cut waiting lists initially by using the private sector far more, its self funding in part as that employee off sick, can get back to work & Wes Streeting wants to reform the NHS so our money goes further, they also have a plan for dentistry, unlike your lot, the Tories plan announced last week, now turns out to be nothing more than a recycled previous idea BUT still no new money.

So more people off sick who could be working.

Your latest rants strikes of desperation.

OP has fingers in ears and is now going 'lalalalala I can't hear you'.

They'd be an echo from under that bridge!

You've conveniently forgot the post I was responding that chatted about all doctors leaving. This is one of the reasons that we need to have a contract with new student docs and nurses about training being funded by us the taxpayers. If they choose that route then they stay for 5 years or pay to leave.

As importantly, a no strike agreement as per my OP is a very good idea and I've had many agreeing with me via thanks button.

They will all manage 5 years easily before they leave and should have their student loans errors off for that too

If all our doctors leave after 5 years, the problem will still exist.

Saying a strike ban is a good idea doesn't make it true (we have mentioned this to you before - I mean, I could say 'I have just won Euromillions' but sadly that doesn't make it true).

We have only your word for the plethora of thanks you have received from people who are too cowardly to actually present their case backing you.

You also don't appear to understand the student loan system and the costs doctors incur in training - maybe do a little bit of reading before posting nonsense.

@Absolutely45 , you are Absolutely right .

The strikes do not cause the waiting lists.
But I don’t think Tory OP is the type to change their mind.

@DistinguishedSocialCommenator brilliant, thank you for repaying the £250,000 that all new doctors will have to. As you say you're paying now ? And most would love the security of 5 years employment these days - government replacing them with PAs and GPs being made redundant.

Where's the like button on MN ???