Doctors right to strike, should it be removed?

[DistinguishedSocialCommenator]

Hello
Several people within our families are doctors. Most started out wanting to care for people, but as time goes on, the reality of money, and spending comes into play for some.

PM Rishi Sunak in a tv interview partly balmed doctors strikes for failing to bring down hospital waiting lists. I rarely agree with a politician but in this case, I know he is right. EG, myself, my OH, one of our children and grandchildren have had their appointments cancelled because of strike impacts. Our children and grandchildren do have private healthcare but those do not cover pre-existing or you end up on the NHS with chorionic conditions.

Our police officers and armed forces personnel are not allowed to strike

AIBU to expect a no-strike agreement for doctors and possibly nurses. If agreed, give them 9 months' notice about no-strike agreements. I honestly believe hardly anyone would leave and those leaving would have possibly left the NHS anyway as some do and go to another country just like we get doctors from abroad. Their pay claims could be easily managed in the same way police/armed forces pay rises are managed as well of those MP's.

Failing to bring down hospital w/l lies with the present government and the growing of these waiting lists, the doctor's strikes have certainly made things a lot worse. We are regularly hearing on our news media about growing waiting lists and people waiting for urgent treatments and the waiting times in A&E departments etc

AIBU to feel that doctors should be made to sign a no-strike agreement with a few month's notice to have the no-strike agreement in place before next winter? Also, have a pay body set up like the ones our MP's enjoy.

@DistinguishedSocialCommenator considering how many facts you have been presented with, all of which you have ignored, you may wish to not say things about how people ignore facts which are not in their favour. 😂

The fact remains the senior docs going on strike, 5 day strike that will results in in hundreds of thousands of cancelled appointments are do so to get a load of money.

Another fact is its not only doctors earning a very decent wage that are going on strike, so how about all public sector workers OTHER than NHS staff had to endure a two-year freeze??

What about public council workers well below 2010 levels?

Your 'facts' are wrong

The coming 5 day strike is junior doctors, i.e. not consultants strike.

If you want to reduce the number of cancelled appointments, staff and fund the NHS properly.

If council workers are unhappy with their pay and conditions, they should strike.

The right to strike should be universal.

Simple, isn't it? I note that yoyr other thread isn't going well either.

Its great having posters like you on MN because for all your pro Tory Anti Labour rants and disinformation, you actually make the case for a change of Govt.

People are now ridiculing the Tories, they laugh at their claims of "Growing the Economy" Stopping the boats" "Halving inflation" "Reducing NHS waiting lists" and the best of all a "mild recession"

People have their lived experiences to make up their own minds, so we have crappy roads, crumbling schools, rising prices, increased energy costs (whilst the suppliers make huge profits - eg British Gas) the NHS, can't get a GP appointment.

But all the Tories offer is to fund Tax cuts by slashing benefits and public services even further.

They, like you, live in another world, disconnected from the vast majority in the UK.

Look friend

I have an appointment for a scan during one of the strike dates, got the letter today. I will be phoning them seeing if I need to pre-empt and change.

Re "anti-labour" FGS get real as I've said a million times i have no time for the tory clowns or the Lab lot. I've said, read my thread and stop misquoting me, the lab lot aim for the unemployed/social housing, those on benefits and often leaning towards the left. The tory lot aim for the mid to higher earners and both parties will/do make promises they know they can't keep or realistically implement/etc. Both put themselves first. I don't need to give you examples.

Tell me how many new cancelled appointments there will be on top of the 1.3 million already cancelled when the docs on a 5 day strike

Yes we do have "crappy roads""" etc etc I've never disagreed

Just like the police/armed services the docs/nurses should have a now strike agreements as per my op

FGS, read my OP and look at the naffing solution I've provided and stop ranting about something I have not posted about

Regarding Tories cutting "benefits" which ones have they cut? What will labour do for those on benefits and the nurses and the docs and how will this be funded? Yes, that's right, tax to the hilt those who have worked hard, saved their money, not claiming benefits hit them with higher taxes for being aspirational and spending/saving prudently

Re tories and "growing economy" you know it, I know it, its not the case but if Lab gets in, they will make life worse in England - Look at the Lab lot in Wales and whats happening there

I live in Wales @DistinguishedSocialCommenator
Im getting pretty sick of anti-Labour/pro-Tory people banging on about ‘what’s happening’ here. (Yes, I know you said you aren’t anti-Labour/pro-Tory, but I don’t believe you because everything you say reveals that to be untrue). Any problems here are to do with rules and finance controlled from Westminster or demographic issues. The Labour led Senedd doesn’t have the corruption scandals and does have the welfare of people at heart. It solved both teacher and rail strikes way before England. We’re fine in Wales, honest

@DistinguishedSocialCommenator why are you ringing ? They will contact you if it's cancelled.

Wait lists are not caused by strikes. Critical incidents are not caused by strikes. They are caused by lack of staff. Caused by underfunding.

But you believe what you need to get through the day. I'd suggest not saying any of this to the doctor you see at your appt. If it is a doctor. Might be a PA.

You do know that Wales is dependent on Westminster for its funding, don't you?

As for the rest of it - no, you haven't provided a solution. You've suggested an effective way for another group of workers to reduce their rights and throw away any power they have over their employer, i.e. the state. It's not a solution, it's a regressive idea that the Tories you claim to despise would absolutely love. You've been told you're wrong and why. You've been shown the data showing that no, Labour and the Tories are not all the same. As for your statement that Labour court the vote of those on benefits - that's a Tory trope. I see you.

Ok, fair enough, so you are saying Labour is doing a sterling job in Wales?

I think it’s pretty clear I’m saying that, yes. They are doing the best job the Westminster government will allow. They don’t have to be perfect anyway, do they? Just better than the Westminster shit show. I’d be more than happy for them to annexe England and run the lot.

Seriously?? LOL

Just ask those suffering at the hands of that lot

The quote below about Labour Party in Wales - not good reading - lol (looks like its all wishful thinking)

btw - the quote and link is not from an anti-labour lot

Shifts in Party PreferencesWhen asked about their voting intentions, 42% of respondents expressed support for Labour, representing an 8% dip compared to September. Meanwhile, the Conservatives saw a modest increase of 1%, reaching 20%, Plaid Cymru gained 3%, rising to 15%, the Liberal Democrats witnessed a 2% boost at 7%, and Reform made a notable leap from 8% to 12%.

https://www.herald.wales/mid-wales/ceredigion-mid-wales/Politics/declining-support-for-mark-drakeford-and-labour-revealed-in-latest-poll/

It's all going so well. I'm assuming @DistinguishedSocialCommenator doesn't want to see a doctor at their next appointment? Because v soon there won't be any left

What was the NHS like under Tony Blair?

@Schlappe ranked No 1 in the world 🤷‍♀️

So much better! I was working in the NhS from 1988 until 2015 so under Tories then Labour the Tories again. I could see the difference in terms of investment, respect, and commitment from the Government in the Labour years, but the also the difference in the staff morale was palpable.

A no striking clause won't give you a better NHS . The NHS needs, amongst other things, a massive funding injection and a vastly increased workforce to cope with delivering the treatments and care now available , and expected , by ageing population . I have worked clinically in the NHS for over 40 years and recruitment , staffing levels and morale are an all time low . Junior Drs , in particular, are woefully under paid for the responsibility they have .Do YOU work in the NHS OP ?

💯

Day to day?
Same day GP appointments with you assigned doctor, where you could discuss what you needed to without be rushed out the door.

Prescriptions were affordable, referrals straightforward. Easy access to your consultant once taken onto their lists.

Emergency appointment? No problem.
Child with ear infection out of hours? The GP came out to you.

Medical staff who weren't burned out, dispirited, suicidal...

The NHS was the envy of the world.

I started working in the NHS in 1998, I'm still there. It's like night and day. Were things perfect back then? Of course not. Mental health was badly underfunded and not prioritised, for a start. Were things better?
Oh.
Hell.
Yes.

Thank you for telling me.

‘Just ask those suffering at the hands of that lot’ - did you miss or just ignore the bit where I said I live in Wales? And your figures show Labour as by far the most popular party in Wales so 🤷‍♀️

@cardibach we've tried. We've really tried. I'm only still on here because someone has to call out the constant lies on MN about the Labour party. This OP doesn't want to read anything that they don't want to read. Especially facts. Someone who is happy with the Labour party's governance in Wales does not compute.

Rest assured, we'd never be friends.

What you re doing is what many so called "Floating" voter posters do, slagg off Lab and the Tories, the message being "stick with what you ve got"
Its a common enough narrative and its all the tories have now.

You ve provided NO solutions at all, in fact the exact opposite: as your main proposal, that of a No Strike condition imposed on NHS staff will lead to even more AHPs leaving, as they are doing in droves already & even less apply.

Labour wont need to tax more, at least not the average worker, though why don't you look at what your lot have done? given us the highest taxes in 75 years but the worst public services we ve ever had (post war)

So Labour will use the same amounts but spend differently, an easy win would be to bin off the numerous companies set up to offer "private sector services" to the NHS, all they do is mimic previously 100% NHS services (even use NHS staff) but with duplicate HR IT admin Payroll & of course the well paid CEO etc.

Utterly pointless & wasteful.

Blame the Govt for your cancelled appointment, the BMA offered to cancel the strikes, Govt refused.

"A no striking clause won't give you a better NHS"

It ruddy well would, EG, the 1.3 million appointments already lost would not have been lost/delayed if it had not been for the strikes.

Now there is another 5 days of strikes and I'm safely guessing that another tens of thousands of appointments will be cancelled inc urgent ones.

Sorry, but what you said how labour would fund is nothing less than total BS.