Doctors right to strike, should it be removed?

[DistinguishedSocialCommenator]

Hello
Several people within our families are doctors. Most started out wanting to care for people, but as time goes on, the reality of money, and spending comes into play for some.

PM Rishi Sunak in a tv interview partly balmed doctors strikes for failing to bring down hospital waiting lists. I rarely agree with a politician but in this case, I know he is right. EG, myself, my OH, one of our children and grandchildren have had their appointments cancelled because of strike impacts. Our children and grandchildren do have private healthcare but those do not cover pre-existing or you end up on the NHS with chorionic conditions.

Our police officers and armed forces personnel are not allowed to strike

AIBU to expect a no-strike agreement for doctors and possibly nurses. If agreed, give them 9 months' notice about no-strike agreements. I honestly believe hardly anyone would leave and those leaving would have possibly left the NHS anyway as some do and go to another country just like we get doctors from abroad. Their pay claims could be easily managed in the same way police/armed forces pay rises are managed as well of those MP's.

Failing to bring down hospital w/l lies with the present government and the growing of these waiting lists, the doctor's strikes have certainly made things a lot worse. We are regularly hearing on our news media about growing waiting lists and people waiting for urgent treatments and the waiting times in A&E departments etc

AIBU to feel that doctors should be made to sign a no-strike agreement with a few month's notice to have the no-strike agreement in place before next winter? Also, have a pay body set up like the ones our MP's enjoy.

Don't forget UK Test and Trace

Commons committee says system failed in cutting infection levels despite ‘eye-watering’ £37bn funding

@Kosenrufugirl I honestly don't know how you do it but thank you for your hard work.

I don’t work for the NHS but I 100% support their right to strike.
I want the person who may be responsible for saving my child’s life to be well rested, to be on a ward where there are sufficient well trained staff.
37k in London and other major cities doesn’t get you far! By not increasing their salaries in line with inflation they are effectively being given a pay cut.
The blame for the problems the NHS faces does not lie at the feet of the doctors, nurses , porters, radiologists etc. The blame lies with the government. Not just for failing to adequately fund the NHS but also for failing to provide adequate mental health provisions, adequate social care etc all which have massive effects not only on the NHS but also police and other industries.
The keyworkers that the government had the sheer bloody audacity to thank during Covid are all being well and truly screwed by the tories.
Hopefully People exercise their right to vote in the next election to change that, although they’ve made that harder by changing it so you require photo id in order to vote!

Pretty good article in Medscape about general practice

Is the British Government Eroding Primary Care on Purpose? (medscape.co.uk)

@Mabel77
""The keyworkers that the government had the sheer bloody audacity to thank during Covid are all being well and truly screwed by the tories.
Hopefully People exercise their right to vote in the next election to change that, although they’ve made that harder by changing it so you require photo id in order to vote!""

"harder as photo ID required..."
Just for labour voters is it? Yes, I thought not!

So you are hoping for Labour - fiar enough if they get in they will pay the docs the 35%, how about the nurses? How about the police? How about the teachers. How about the armed forces. How about inflation

Labour left the country is a massive mess, they have no idea what to do if they get elected. The Labour leader just like the Tory clown are embattled with their own lot and their priority is to stay in power or get to number ten. Do you really trsy the Labour lot that make a U turn at the drop of a hat?

The best thing that could happen for England is that promises these jesters make must be introduced and followed through and within the promise's timescales - failing that, all of those that were ministers have to resgin a minsiters and as MP's which will resputl in local election for around 30 new MP's - then the same rule is applied again - this will teach most of them not to make promises that know cant be achieved and then blame it o everyoe else but themselves.

Labour left the country in a massive mess? 😂
I mean, the Tories keep going on about 'back to square 1', and then I think back to 2010 and then I think 'I'll take that'.

See the Daily Mail has worked its magic on you OP.

Labour's mess, here in colour. Spoiler, Labour is the red line

I'll just leave this here. Wonder why it could be happening - tricky one 🤔

People saying labour left the country a mess.... I don't blame Gordon Brown for 2008.

Wasn't the economy under Tony Blair (and Gordon's chancellorship) super super successful?

Like 1997-2007 strong and stable economic growth, stable debt to GDP ratio

Labour left the country is a massive mess

Seriously?

@Blossomtoes the utter bullshit peddled is beyond me. That fuck8ng note has resurfaced again on another thread…

I take it you’ve put them straight. I’m sick to death of explaining about Maudlng.

I’ve tried. They won’t listen though.

What note?

The ‘sorry there’s no money’ note. Bored to tears with it.

For all those saying that the Police can’t strike, the Police Federation are due to ballot on whether this should change. The reason being that much like nurses, doctors, teachers the working conditions are terrible and people are voting with their feet; either retiring or retraining.

The military is also struggling to recruit. Housing is probably one of the biggest issues for the forces. I’m sure pay could be better too.

As everyone above has said this is market forces. If you would like actual doctors and not PAs, adequately trained nurses and paramedics then you have to treat them well. At a recent conference there was a talk by an Australian nutritionist who worked for the ambulance service. A nutritionist for the paramedics mind, not the patients. Also at this conference were leaflets advertising locum jobs in Australia for A&E doctors for $4000 a day. And they would pay travel and accommodation.

It is not rocket science to understand why people in the UK are asking for more money. It’s so they have adequate compensation for working in terrible conditions.

And I cannot believe that the mumsnet pedants haven’t noticed this yet but the distinguished social commenTator needs to spellcheck their username - it’s driving me bananas

Damn you. I hadn’t noticed and it’s all I’ll see now.

Ha! Sorry?

@auberginefrog don't be sorry, it's hilarious.

Thank you

People often get fed up with facts when it is not in their favour.

😂 facts ??? You don't seem to know what those are. Doctors rebalotting for more strike action as your beloved Vicky seems to have lost the offer she promised in January down the back of her sofa. And she really does need a new watch as her 'be round the table' in 20 minutes took 20 days, and then refused to discuss anything. V strange behaviour when trying your settle industrial action.
Fair and reasonable. Not 2 words I'd use to describe the government. Corrupt and self serving seem better.
I'd quite like a doctor when I'm ill. Not some partially trained substitute.

People often get fed up with facts when it is not in their favour.

That is so rich from you @DistinguishedSocialCommenator . You are clearly never one to let facts get in the way of your unfathomable judgement.

The people it’s not 8n the favour of are the ones posting it. They make themselves look ignorant and silly. Anyone with any knowledge knows it came from a tradition and want an actual financial report. Just in case you, too, are unaware…