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To not vote Labour because of their abhorrent views on the female sex?

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Lion400 · 05/02/2024 18:43

Starmer cannot represent women, he can’t even define us. Questioning a trans person is a hate crime, but misogyny is not. Sorry Labour, you’ve lost my vote. Have they lost anyone else’s??

‘On trans ideology, the vast majority of voters, and certainly a majority of traditional Labour voters from working class backgrounds, tend to cast a sceptical eye on the tenets of an ideological movement that asserts that biological men must be accepted as women – and be offered similar rights and access to women’s spaces and sports as women – simply by asserting their new status’

Transgender ideology has created the biggest medical scandal of our generation

Vulnerable young people who transitioned before they were ready are paying a high price for this disastrous project

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/04/transgender-ideology-biggest-scandal-of-our-generation/

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hotinhereandthere · 05/02/2024 22:45

I'm aware this happens but I'm not the one sending money or supporting these people am I?

MeinKraft · 05/02/2024 22:54

GreyCarpet · 05/02/2024 18:56

I'm not sure why so many people are jumping on Tories are no friend to women. The OP hasn't said she will vote Tory. Just that she can't vote for Labour.

I won't vote Tory either.

But I can't vote Labour.

That's the problem.

Because it is a two horse race. If you don't give your vote to Labour you might as well give it to the Tories - the result is the same.

Ofcourseshecan · 05/02/2024 22:57

I always voted Labour or Green until they started attacking women’s rights. Since then I’ve spoiled my ballot paper.

All our parties are incompetent, snd the Tories are also a bunch of thieving crooks. But (of those who stand candidates where I live) Labour, Lib Dems and the Greens are actually committed to abolishing women’s single-sex rights by allowing men to self-identify as women. So nothing would induce me to vote for them.

I would vote SDP or Communist if a local candidate stood, as they are the only two parties that explicitly defend women’s rights.

MeinKraft · 05/02/2024 23:01

LWSnow · 05/02/2024 21:54

I'm also going to send a donation Kelly J Keens way as she is setting up a women's party and is going to stand against Keir Starmer. She's an independent who deserves a lot of votes. I

Hope you don't have strong views on women having access to abortion or in fact, any feminist issue apart from identity politics.

PrawnDumplings · 05/02/2024 23:06

LWSnow · 05/02/2024 21:53

I'll happily vote conservative , my local prospective Tory candidate is full on women's rights and gender critical. I asked her on the doorstep about her views on women's rights and she was fantastic. Single sex spaces, sports etc woman = adult human female.

Yeah. Vote Tory. Why not eh?! Fuck the poor, the elderly, kids, immigrants, fuck em all!

TempestTost · 06/02/2024 01:25

YANBU.

If Labour gets in, there is a very good chance they will introduce measures that we see have damaged women and kids in other countries, and which will be damned difficult to remove. Starmer has just said that they will make the conversion therapy bill a priority, so anyone with a vulnerable teenager needs to know that accessing mental health care at that point becomes a nightmare.

It will also reverse the very small beginning steps that have been made toward cleaning out this ideology from the civil services and schools, which is likely to be a 20 year project.

Plus it's revealed the Labour Party as authoritarian, in thrall to pseudo-science, and sloppy and careless about legislation. That goes well beyond this particular issue, if they are proposing sloppy, virtue signalling legislation on this issue they will do it for other things, like the environment, justice, etc.

And they haven't actually shown any indication to change course on most economic issues compared to the Tories. So the idea that they will somehow reverse could on the NHS or anything else is just pie in the sky. They will not, and can not, make those changes.

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 06/02/2024 02:19

YABU.
I'm sick to fucking death of the culture wars the Tories are trying to stoke up to presumably cling onto power.
They're forever trying to pit someone against someone else.
If they're not wanging on about turning back boats, they're talking about "well we know what a woman is" or waffling about Rwanda and planes..
Me and lots of other people I know are more worried about the fucking state of the country we're in right now.
It's getting increasingly harder to pay for food and bills, to heat your home for example, what are you going to do about that?

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 06/02/2024 02:25

IClaudine · 05/02/2024 22:21

Why did KJK have such a change of heart about trans women? Hmm?

https://x.com/HadleyFreeman/status/1754080864147808526?s=20

Edited

Presumably the same reason many women did: new evidence. As a matter of fact, this week facebook memories showed me one of my own past TRA posts, also from 2013. Embarrassing, to say the least.

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 06/02/2024 02:28

@PrawnDumplings
Yeah. Vote Tory. Why not eh?! Fuck the poor, the elderly, kids, immigrants, fuck em all!

Yep!

Garlickit · 06/02/2024 02:29

It's agonising for me, too 😢 I'm one of the party members Labour kicked out. At the time I was very upset but thought my vote wouldn't make a difference as this constituency has been Conservative for generations.

Now, there's a slim but real possibility the Tories may lose this seat. The other favourite candidate is Green. I've got little faith in their policies in general, but they've made their "TWAW (and better W than the female kind)" stance so very clear that they aren't getting my vote either.

This may be the first GE I abstain from.

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 06/02/2024 02:30

Why did KJK have such a change of heart about trans women? Hmm?
Online radicalisation maybe?

Garlickit · 06/02/2024 02:36

Containerhome · 05/02/2024 21:07

I don't think a political party that has any best interests for women exists to be honest...

This is more true now than it has been for 70 years, I think.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 06/02/2024 02:37

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 06/02/2024 02:30

Why did KJK have such a change of heart about trans women? Hmm?
Online radicalisation maybe?

You mean like that time the ablism of a user called @lemonadeanddaisychains alerted me to the rot within the trans activist massive?

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 06/02/2024 02:56

@NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision sorry you've lost me?
What ableism by that user and what exactly has it got to do with this thread?

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 06/02/2024 02:57

Do you actually have anything to say on what I actually posted?

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 06/02/2024 02:58

sorry you've lost me

Download google maps, perhaps?

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 06/02/2024 03:02

Download google maps, perhaps?

Confused 😂
So you don't have anything to actually say then?!
Thought as much

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 06/02/2024 03:02

Might as well try again
Do you actually have anything to say on what I actually posted?

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 06/02/2024 03:14

Gosh, is it not clear? I think that you are completely right about how trans activists' grotty behaviour exposes the true nature of the movement.

The best thing they could ever do for the trans movement they claim to support, would be to stop posting. But they won't. So they'll continue to "radicalise" women against them.

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 06/02/2024 03:17

I think that you are completely right about how trans activists' grotty behaviour exposes the true nature of the movement.Thee best thing they could ever do for the trans movement they claim to support, would be to stop posting. But they won't. So they'll continue to "radicalise" women against them
Nothing you are saying has any relevance to what I've posted about though? Just what exactly are you going on about? Clarification would be nice

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 06/02/2024 03:20

Although you won't clarify, will you.
As you've painted me as a TRA (I think from your ramblings on here,) when I'm not but just sometimes disagree with you and the FWR board.

KimberleyClark · 06/02/2024 05:06

I live in a constituency that is relatively marginal and a target swing seat. It has been held by Labour since 2017 with a majority of around 6,000 last time. There is no fucking way I’m voting to hand it back to the Tories.

EasternStandard · 06/02/2024 06:48

TempestTost · 06/02/2024 01:25

YANBU.

If Labour gets in, there is a very good chance they will introduce measures that we see have damaged women and kids in other countries, and which will be damned difficult to remove. Starmer has just said that they will make the conversion therapy bill a priority, so anyone with a vulnerable teenager needs to know that accessing mental health care at that point becomes a nightmare.

It will also reverse the very small beginning steps that have been made toward cleaning out this ideology from the civil services and schools, which is likely to be a 20 year project.

Plus it's revealed the Labour Party as authoritarian, in thrall to pseudo-science, and sloppy and careless about legislation. That goes well beyond this particular issue, if they are proposing sloppy, virtue signalling legislation on this issue they will do it for other things, like the environment, justice, etc.

And they haven't actually shown any indication to change course on most economic issues compared to the Tories. So the idea that they will somehow reverse could on the NHS or anything else is just pie in the sky. They will not, and can not, make those changes.

Yep sums it up well

AdamRyan · 06/02/2024 08:23

SinnerBoy · 05/02/2024 22:15

hotinhereandthere · Today 22:04

And what a role model she is with her harassment of other women and far right links.

What harassment of other women? And Nazis turning up, despite her telling them "No thanks," so that they can have a go at Antifa and the Traniban isn't "Far right links." Nor is her being at debates where a range of people, including some right wingers, but not organised by, or invited by her.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190201193546/http:/jeanhatchet.blogspot.com/2019/01/why-i-wont-be-standing-for-women.html

Why I won't be 'standing for women'.

*No radical feminist woman or feminist women's group that I know of in the UK has ever accepted any funding from any right wing group in the...

https://web.archive.org/web/20190201193546/http:/jeanhatchet.blogspot.com/2019/01/why-i-wont-be-standing-for-women.html

BackToLurk · 06/02/2024 08:34

SinnerBoy · 05/02/2024 22:15

hotinhereandthere · Today 22:04

And what a role model she is with her harassment of other women and far right links.

What harassment of other women? And Nazis turning up, despite her telling them "No thanks," so that they can have a go at Antifa and the Traniban isn't "Far right links." Nor is her being at debates where a range of people, including some right wingers, but not organised by, or invited by her.

The organisers of the recent march against antisemitism told Tommy Robinson he wasn’t welcome and had him removed. He was also arrested. Presumably KJK could do the same.

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