To not vote Labour because of their abhorrent views on the female sex?

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Starmer cannot represent women, he can’t even define us. Questioning a trans person is a hate crime, but misogyny is not. Sorry Labour, you’ve lost my vote. Have they lost anyone else’s??

‘On trans ideology, the vast majority of voters, and certainly a majority of traditional Labour voters from working class backgrounds, tend to cast a sceptical eye on the tenets of an ideological movement that asserts that biological men must be accepted as women – and be offered similar rights and access to women’s spaces and sports as women – simply by asserting their new status’

Please point to the posts 'treating trans people as less than human'. I will happily report them.

Saying that humans can't change sex is not saying trans people are less than human. You are undermining your own credibility with that kind of hyperbole.

Please do not blame women concerned about safeguarding for a child's murder, just to score points on a thread. You disrespect all concerned in that tragedy when you do that.

Please tell me what I've done and what i should apologise for.

Be specific.

What I have said is :

That the murder of Briannah Ghey was a terrible tragedy.
That Cheshire Police said that they fact that Briannah was trans was not the motivation it was that she was vulnerable.
That neither side of the 'debate' should use it as a political point scoring tool to remove women's rights.

So which of those are 'dubious views'?

No, PP said this:

Because treating trans people as less than human, as less deserving of being able to live freely, will inevitably end in tragedies like the murder of Brianna. That is what happens when you dehumanise people.

That is using the murder of a child to point score on a thread. It is hugely disrespectful to all affected by that tragedy to do that.

That Cheshire Police said that they fact that Briannah was trans was not the motivation it was that she was vulnerable
You're still conveniently glossing over that it has been said it was a secondary cause.
Which is still a cause.

No I haven't I have specifically referred to the fact that one of the sadistic killers made vile dehumanising comments about Brianna, I'm glad that the killers have received appropriate sentences.

Stop using the murder of a child. This thread is about Labour and women's rights. Stop.

I’ve asked MN to delete this thread now. Thanks everyone for giving us all lots to think about.

Why delete it?

Stop
🙄 #NoDebate

The whole thread is about voting or not voting for Labour due to their stance on LGBT issues and women's issues.
So it's relevant.
Is the human side too uncomfortable or something?
Just stop instead, don't talk about it.
I was replying to a poster who was saying it wasn't a motive. I was just saying yes actually it's been said that it was
But I'm not supposed to point that out apparently.
Just let what they said slide.

When all is left is to argue that a child's murder is reason to allow men into women's single sex spaces, the thread has definitely run it's course.

Although it might be worth leaving up for some to come to their own conclusions about this tactic.

No one has said that.

I’ve asked MN to delete this thread now. Thanks everyone for giving us all lots to think about

Oh wow.
Why?!
It's a respectable discussion.
No debate indeed
FFS

Not going the way you like or something?
Quick make it go away 🙄

I'm have absolutely no idea how you think that allowing males into women's single sex spaces would prevent this tragedy.

Or how making women's spaces single sex (to protect vulnerable women) will put trans identifying children more at risk?

Right but why was it even raised on this thread?

Brianna's murder has nothing to do with single sex spaces for women.

When all is left is to argue that a child's murder is reason to allow men into women's single sex spaces, the thread has definitely run it's course
Nobody has said that.

Although it might be worth leaving up for some to come to their own conclusions about this tactic

Yes, let's. Tactics need to be seen and this thread's great for it.
Although I'm guessing not for the same reasons you are thinking of

It wasn't me who raised a child's murder.

I will happily discuss the murder case with you, on a thread about that. Using it on a thread about voting opinions is vile. It is not relevant to the subject of this thread and you hugely cheapen your argument if you are willing to derail the thread and use the murder of a child to do it.

I am not afraid the human side, no. Have you known anyone who was murdered? I have. This thread is not the place.

Brianna's murder has nothing to do with single sex spaces for women
It does have something to do with LGBT issues and hostility though, it was a secondary cause.
Which you still won't admit.

It is not relevant to the subject of this thread
The whole threads about voting or not voting for Labour on their stance on women's and LGBT rights
So it is relevant, and nothing I have posted has been out of the blue, it's been in relation to what others have commented.

Why do women have the legal right to single sex facilities?

Why should that right be removed?

More insults!

I have demonstrated why Labour's position is not strong enough to protect women. I have done so using the wording from the Statutory provisions that Labour introduced that have enabled men to be in women's spaces. Sometimes I've quoted case law, or articles.

So if you think the statutory provisions I've referred to are poorly researched then I invite you to present your research that proves the correct legal interpretation wrong.

I'll wait.

Your tactics here have also been noted. You seem to spend literally all day here posting and posting and posting, trying to exhaust any dissenter with your poorly researched and often faux naive replies, repeating the same point over and over again, regardless of what evidence to the contrary is given you - it feels like trying to argue with a child

Absolutely!!!

This thread is not about 'LGBTQ issues', or about the causes of a horrible senseless murder of a child, it's about women's voting choices.

Your willingness to derail in this way is doing you no credit at all, but it seems like you're so sure you are on TRSOH that you won't see it.