To not vote Labour because of their abhorrent views on the female sex?

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Starmer cannot represent women, he can’t even define us. Questioning a trans person is a hate crime, but misogyny is not. Sorry Labour, you’ve lost my vote. Have they lost anyone else’s??

‘On trans ideology, the vast majority of voters, and certainly a majority of traditional Labour voters from working class backgrounds, tend to cast a sceptical eye on the tenets of an ideological movement that asserts that biological men must be accepted as women – and be offered similar rights and access to women’s spaces and sports as women – simply by asserting their new status’

Watch the clip.

x.com/implausibleblog/status/1755203387539284020?s=20

No I haven't seen it.

The tragic murder of Briannah Ghey is not relevant to women wanting Labour to do the right thing regarding single sex spaces.

So because a child was stabbed to death he can't mention Labour's failures to women?

I'm not sure that's a good comparison. Many people feel particles down by Labour because they were thought of as a party which wanted to support people, which wanted to address injustice. So when that turns out not to be the case, people are horrified. The same level of horror is not felt when a party which always was about being self serving...self serves. I honestly thought about were the party of good and I've voted for them for decades. They have abandoned their supporters and it turns out they are a bunch of men's right activists. The fury with tory selfishness is something I've felt for years. The fury with Labour selfishness is felt differently because I thought they were a party we could largely trust to largely do the right thing and listen to people. But they're not.

Yes, yes it is. Because treating trans people as less than human, as less deserving of being able to live freely, will inevitably end in tragedies like the murder of Brianna. That is what happens when you dehumanise people.

I am out for now, so angry and so sad for Esther Ghey who had to witness Sunak employing such a vile weapon.

I give up.

He didn't mention Labour's failures to women (not sure what those are as they are not in power). He just spewed out a cheap and tawdry soundbite.

Brianna wasn't murdered because she was trans.

The police were clear about that.

Yes, yes it is. Because treating trans people as less than human, as less deserving of being able to live freely, will inevitably end in tragedies like the murder of Brianna. That is what happens when you dehumanise people

Completely agree

Did you read the judgement?

I really am out now.

That's a matter of opinion. The fact that labour say that 1% of women have a penis harms women.

If Labour weren't telling that lie then Sunak (as unpalatable as you find it) wouldn't be able to call them out on it.

Human's can't change sex.

To add, probably why you get people saying stuff like "trans idealogy" etc.
Rather than refer as real people.
Easier to forget the human side, such as Brianna and her family.

That disgraceful display goes a very long way beyond taste. It was contemptible.

Rather like "betcha didnt think Brexit would end up like this - eh eh eh? Serves you right - haw haw"

Cheshire police believe the pair killed Brianna not because she was trans but because she was “vulnerable”, an easy target. Before they decided to murder her, they discussed various other victims, starting with M, a boy Ratcliffe thought was getting too close to a girl he fancied.

Stop using this child's murder to try to argue that women shouldn't have rights to single sex spaces.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/02/scarlett-jenkinson-eddie-ratcliffe-teenagers-planned-murder-of-brianna-ghey

Stop it @lifeturnsonadime. Just stop. You’ve gone too far. The mask has well and truly slipped.

It has been said by the judge I believe that her being trans was a secondary cause.
(happy to be corrected)
If so it WAS a motive whether primary or secondary so it's disgusting if people are pretending it's not.

Brianna's murder was abhorrent but the police say she was not killed because she was trans but because she was vulnerable.

Cheshire police believe the pair killed Brianna not because she was trans but because she was “vulnerable”, an easy target. Before they decided to murder her, they discussed various other victims, starting with M, a boy Ratcliffe thought was getting too close to a girl he fancied.

I'm hoping you're cross posting now.

I think it's you that's gone too far. Any murder is a tragedy. Not a tool for you to try and silence others. Have some respect.

There are humans the other side of this debate too. Such as Iamsarah

I don't. I've said multiple times I don't. Why do you keen insisting that women criticising Labour want to vote Tory, when we keep saying we don't?

Also, don't use the murder of a child to point score on a thread, that's really low.

Stop what , quoting the guardian? Quoting Cheshire Police?

I have said that Brianna's death was terrible, an awful thing to happen.

I'm glad her murderers have been given appropriate sentences. They were sadists. The boy in particular dehumanised her by calling her it and the other dreadful things he said which I don't want to repeat.

BUT this murder is should not be used as an argument that some men are women. The poor child has just been murdered and you are using her murder as a political point.

I'm sorry but that's vile. Briannah's murder is not a reason to remove women's single sex spaces or to be used as a political point scoring exercise by either side of the 'debate'.

Also, don't use the murder of a child to point score on a thread, that's really low.

The attempt at point scoring was used by Sunak, not the pp who reported it on this thread.

@lifeturnsonadime you have some dubious views evidenced by your disgraceful statement above. I suppose expecting you to apologise and retire in shame would be too much to ask?