To not vote Labour because of their abhorrent views on the female sex?

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Starmer cannot represent women, he can’t even define us. Questioning a trans person is a hate crime, but misogyny is not. Sorry Labour, you’ve lost my vote. Have they lost anyone else’s??

‘On trans ideology, the vast majority of voters, and certainly a majority of traditional Labour voters from working class backgrounds, tend to cast a sceptical eye on the tenets of an ideological movement that asserts that biological men must be accepted as women – and be offered similar rights and access to women’s spaces and sports as women – simply by asserting their new status’

It is not pointythings fault the law does not allow her to vote in a GE. She pays taxes, works here, lives here. She is completely entitled to not want to live under another corrupt, vile Tory government.

Once again, it is not GC women who are risking that, it is the left, because they'd rather do so than anger TRAs. Why aren't you blaming the politicians?

Having a word for the sex class previously known as women is not 'one single issue'. If you can't define the group which includes all women and no men, how can you have sex discrimination law? Or maternity rights? Or deal with pay discrepancies or sexual violence which overwhelmingly affect women, if there is no longer a name for that group of people?

This issue does not affect a fraction of a percentage of the population, women are 51% of the population and women fucking matter.

Women are fucking sick of being expected to put our interests last. We did not make this mess, the left did, and we're not the world's mum who has to clean up the mess we didn't make. Fuck off with your victim blaming.

Yeah, that was really shitty of you Clav.

In the Labour Party,What you have to remember is that men however they identify are more important than women and children. Then everything falls into place.

No he didn't. He said 99% of women don't. Which is a legally accurate answer.
He later clarified he thinks woman = adult female.

You are spinning it. And I don't think that's about protecting women.

@lifeturnsonadime I never said you had to shut up. But I do think that women who choose to vote Tory because of this single issue will need to take some serious responsibility if their vote gets the Tories in again. Because they will have contributed to making the lives of women much, much worse.

As for my beliefs - I don't think men can be women. But I also don't believe the vast majority of men who transition do so because they want to make their sexual predations easier.

If you can't define the group which includes all women and no men, how can you have sex discrimination law?

Well, you can. It's 'biological women'. A transwoman is by definition not a biological woman.

However, the issue of sex discrimination and pay inequality is more complex than that. Trans people are discriminated against. Pay inequality is also very much an ethnicity issue. This isn't a simple issue.

IClaudine
That is totally irrelevant

It's not irrelevant at all - pointythings was insulting with comments about 'your kind' and 'destruction of our democracy' when she's not eligible to vote in UK general elections. I don't think she should be bullying voters who are eligible to vote.

Please point out where in this I said people legally change sex:

It most certainly does not suit me that the GRA pretends that people can change sex. A piece of paper, very obviously, cannot change a person's sex. It suits TRAs very nicely though, because it muddies sex and gender and allows males to change their sex marker on their ID to say that their sex, not gender but sex, is female, and that's a problem.

That's the opposite of what I said. If you are going to lie about what I said, you might at least wait til the next page so it's not so incredibly easy for people to see the lie.

I'm entitled to vote in local elections. Is that not my democracy? Am I not allowed to want democracy? Am I not allowed to be concerned for my children? One of them is disabled. We know how Tories treat disabled people, don't we?

Honestly, how much lower can you sink?

Ask the Tories. They are in power.

Fundamentally I think all the parties knowing a proposal to revoke it won't be popular with the electorate so won't win enough votes, and will take up loads of the limited legislative time that they would prefer to use for other priorities. E.g. The Labour party would choose to focus on reducing VAWG instead and the Conservatives on stopping the boats.

This is why for me using repealing the GRA to determine your vote is like pissing in the wind. Unless you are aiming to undermine Labour rather than get the GRA repealed. In which case it makes total sense to keep going on about it.

She lives here.

Your mask is really slipping now, Clav.

None of the bullying on this thread has been done by pointythings. She’s as entitled to an opinion as anyone else.

That's not what the law, as it stands, says.

As I keep pointing out on this thread. It's driving me mad.

Sex under the Equality Act is currently a person of the biological sex PLUS a person with the Legal Sex by virtue of the GRC. Biological sex is not defined in the EquA.

Why, in the light of that, is the Labour Party looking to make the process of obtaining a GRC easier rather than revoking it?

pointythings
I'm entitled to vote in local elections

That's fine but we are quite clearly discussing the next general election and your tone is somewhat bullying - I don't dictate to other posters how they should vote.

Women make up 51% of the population.

It really is a man's world when some women are saying that advocating to revoke it when it's consequences are proven to harm women is 'like pissing in the wind'.

Oh sorry, you and dime have kind of blended into one and I got confused. That's what happens when there are multiple posters with identical opinions. It becomes hard to track who posted what

Aaaaand were back to insinuations that women who don't agree with you are really just right wing bigots using women's rights as a figleaf to cover their burning desire for another Tory government.

Groundhog day is right.

You are very kind, the sorry should be from those who directed this stuff at you

You've said nothing wrong

And again with the insinuations that GC posters are all right wing bots with 'identical opinions'?

Ground. Hog. Day.

Try again.
I specifically said "using repealing the GRA to determine your vote is like pissing in the wind"
Don't misquote people if you don't want to get called hard of thinking. It doesn't give the best impression of your intellect.

Not all of them. Just a select few. I think 99% of GC women aren't right wing bigots.

No need for you to feel offended surely?

And yet more insults.

I will use whatever I want to determine my vote, as will you.

Oh gosh do I need to be even more blunt?

Stop misquoting me. It makes you look either dishonest or stupid. That's a fact not an insult.

I'm starting to feel there may be an agenda to get the thread pulled so I'm not responding to dime or nothing any more