To not vote Labour because of their abhorrent views on the female sex?

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Starmer cannot represent women, he can’t even define us. Questioning a trans person is a hate crime, but misogyny is not. Sorry Labour, you’ve lost my vote. Have they lost anyone else’s??

‘On trans ideology, the vast majority of voters, and certainly a majority of traditional Labour voters from working class backgrounds, tend to cast a sceptical eye on the tenets of an ideological movement that asserts that biological men must be accepted as women – and be offered similar rights and access to women’s spaces and sports as women – simply by asserting their new status’

AdamRyan
Nice bit of xenophobia there

My post wasn't xenophobic. You called me 'very ignorant' the other day - you need to calm down a bit and stop throwing insults around.

This.

But to pick up on this. Yet again you are splitting hairs.

The GRC IS one of the reasons I am not prepared to vote for Labour.

I am advocating for the repeal of the GRC on this thread.

If I was intending to quote you I would have used quotation marks. Perhaps I should have said 'some women are implying rather than some women are saying'.

So can we clarify that women advocating for the repeal of the GRC are neither 'hard of thinking' nor 'pissing in the wind'?

The problem is, when you hurl so many insults, it's hard to get a grip of either what you object to or what you stand for.

you need to calm down a bit and stop throwing insults around.

Agree

Heres a definition:
Xenophobia: dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.

Implying someone isn't entitled to express an opinion on UK matters, despite their living here, is very much xenophobic.

Of course you do.

Women can't really be interested in women's rights independent of men surely!

I'll be glad if you stop interacting with me Adam, you are condescending and rude.

So when you replied to my post

Oh sorry, you and dime have kind of blended into one and I got confused. That's what happens when there are multiple posters with identical opinions. It becomes hard to track who posted what

You didn't mean to suggest I was a right wing bigot/bot? When you said I and another poster had 'blended into one', and that multiple posters had 'identical opinions', that wasn't what you were saying?

I've said it before, I'll likely say it again: insulting women and insinuating that we are either gullible fools or right wing liars, rarely leads to us coming round to your way of thinking.

It's always the same from Adam.

He's actually resigned as a result, in large part, as a result of his involvement in the scandal involving a man and an under-age boy. He spent years regaling the house about his love of chem sex and bondage gear. I'm glad he's gone. He was one of those involved with the pushing of this madness in the Tory party and in the commons.

He later clarified he thinks woman = adult female

In my LBC link Starmer says 'all adult females are women' - does that include adult females with a GRC?

Why would I want the thread to be pulled? Did I miss a load of posts by GC women confessing to being Tory plants, or something?

Reading comprehension lessons required. You see, two people can play at being gratuitously rude.

Labour are awaiting the proposals from the government; they have not initiated any such proposals themselves. Most of their backbenchers would be horrified if they did.

Is Starmer saying TMANM?

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Eh?
You wrote "Labour have rejected trying to make this distinction in law."
The article you linked doesn't say that and the quote I linked says that Labour welcome the review proposed by the Tories.

Therefore I don't know why you said they rejected the proposal

AdamRyan
Heres a definition:
Xenophobia: dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries

I wasn't being xenophobic. When pointythings sometimes refers to British voters as 'Little Englanders' is that an example of xenophobia?

I still think it's pretty high risk to assume Kemi Badenoch "mulling" something will result in action. I guess you are going to need to spoil your votes then.

Clearly because I spend more of my time listening to debates in the house and watching committee meetings than you. You seem to spend a lot of time on-line being gratuitously rude and calling bigotry.

It would depend on the context. If she was telling them their opinion didn't count and they all lived in Holland then yes.

Please provide a link to Hansard that shows Badenoch proposing clarification and Labour rejecting it then. I'd be really interested. I've seen nothing of the sort - just government quotes saying the EA is fit for purpose

I really can’t understand not desperately wanting to vote the Tories out, unless you’re a Tory (which you’re clearly not). Please please please vote for the party that you believe will make society less shit as a whole, even if you don’t agree with every single thing they say. I can’t believe you could equate this one thing with everything's the Tories have done.

That’s exactly what I implied.

lime and nothing 💐

you are being very calm, i would have wandered off in a snit by now….

I'm a feminist and there's no way I'd want this thread pulled . It's pure gold

💯 agree.

Thanks for responding pointy.

With regards to your first paragraph, I really hear you. But this is the time to put Labour to task on this single issue. If we don't and when what we are saying Labour will do plays out there will be cries of 'why didn't the feminists / women say anything'? Women are always to blamed. Damned if we do speak out/ damned if we don't.

The lives of women is not made better by enshrining the rights of men to be women in law.

I just wish the Labour Party would see it that way.

With regards to the second paragraph I agree that not all men who transition are sexual predators, of course they are not. But they are all being sold a lie. Add to that that we can't tell which ones are and the inclusion of males in women's single sex places harms less privileged women the most, i.e. women of religious minority and sexual abuse survivors regardless of the intent of the male, I think that those women's needs should come first.