To not vote Labour because of their abhorrent views on the female sex?

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Starmer cannot represent women, he can’t even define us. Questioning a trans person is a hate crime, but misogyny is not. Sorry Labour, you’ve lost my vote. Have they lost anyone else’s??

‘On trans ideology, the vast majority of voters, and certainly a majority of traditional Labour voters from working class backgrounds, tend to cast a sceptical eye on the tenets of an ideological movement that asserts that biological men must be accepted as women – and be offered similar rights and access to women’s spaces and sports as women – simply by asserting their new status’

That's not answering the question.
What do you think the solution is?

https://diva-magazine.com/2024/01/29/exclusive-keir-starmer-lgbtqia-rights/

“We’ll strengthen the law, so every category of hate crime is treated as an aggravated offence,” Starmer said. “We’ll cut NHS waiting lists for LGBT+ people waiting for urgent physical and mental health care. We’ll modernise the Gender Recognition Act. We’ll implement a full, trans-inclusive, ban on all forms of conversion therapy. We fully support the view that conversion therapy is psychologically damaging abuse.”

The Labour Party has committed to-

Simplifying the GRC so that it is easier for males to be legal women, thus weakening the meaning of women to include more males.

Making it an aggravated offence for women (or anyone else) to object.

Acting in a way that opposes the Cass review on the treatment of children who are showing signs of gender distress by banning 'so called' conversion therapy.

These are not conservative policies.

They will make the lives of children & women harder.

Quite!! It's very confusing to try to follow the logic

And I maintain it's hysterical to see every trans woman as a potential lurker, harasser or rapist. Or to put this 'issue' above every other pressing societal issue that people are having to endure right now.

You are ignoring a known subset of trans women who do get kicks out of it.

Telling the truth about these males is not transphobic.

Hiding it harms women.

I take it Adam is not going to apologise or even comment on her false accusations of projection?

I apologise for the term. I simply hadn't considered the possible racist connotations. Substitute "setting her stall out" in the context of what I said.

No one but no one has said every trans woman is a potential lurker, harasser or rapist.

What are you on about?

How do you deduct what you have said from this?

“We’ll strengthen the law, so every category of hate crime is treated as an aggravated offence,” Starmer said. “We’ll cut NHS waiting lists for LGBT+ people waiting for urgent physical and mental health care. We’ll modernise the Gender Recognition Act. We’ll implement a full, trans-inclusive, ban on all forms of conversion therapy. We fully support the view that conversion therapy is psychologically damaging abuse.”

How can you think it a bad thing to cut NHS waiting lists for people in urgent need of physical or mental health care? Or to implement a trans-inclusive ban on all forms of conversion therapy??? Do you have any idea how harmful and traumatising conversion therapy is?

But you're insinuating that all trans women are like this, which is the definition of transphobic.

How can you think it a bad thing to cut NHS waiting lists for people in urgent need of physical or mental health care? Or to implement a trans-inclusive ban on all forms of conversion therapy??? Do you have any idea how harmful and traumatising conversion therapy is?

Ah I see, you think extreme body modification is essential NHS health care.

You do know exploring whether there are other reasons for a child thinking they are trans is seen as 'conversion therapy' by TRAs don't you.

How do you think the Muslim community have managed separate spaces for men and women over several hundred years if it's so logistically complicated?

No I am not.

Stop lying.

women are assaulted in large part because men don't think of them as real people, just service personnel. Trans ideology supports that view of women: as people who just exist to make others feel happy. Labour are putting women at risk. All women.

Radical acceptance is conversion therapy.

That's just all absolute nonsense, made up by interpreting what they said in the worst possible light. It says nothing of the sort in the article.

Labour have "committed" to no such things. You are peddling conspiracy theories.

This kind of misrepresentation should not be acceptable because its just incorrect and dangerous.

So what's your interpretation?

And still no apology for you making things up about me earlier upthread I see!

LOL is the only possible answer to this.

No they aren't. 99% of sex crimes are committed by MEN. Why should this subset of males get a free pass? The evidence is that they offend at the same rate as other males (and if you believe that every male who says he is a woman is a woman, they actually offend at a much higher rate). Unless you can show that saying the magic words 'I am a woman' transforms sexual offending rates to women's levels then they can stay with the other males.

No I'm not going to apologise. What that poster said about hysteria was fine in my opinion, I agree with her. She didn't label anyone hysterical or shrieking. Therefore not sexist (in my opinion). You were either projecting or trying to shut her up.

Or was Starmer just trying to make the T community vote for him by saying he was going to simplify the process for the GRC and make hate crime an aggravated offence etc.

Why would he say those things in that article if he didn't mean them : S

Ah I see.

Yet you get shirty if people misgender you!

I'm not the person calling for politicians to make laws saying no males in female spaces ever. So you are addressing the wrong person.

@lifeturnsonadime just because I’m guessing you’ll be feeling frustrated

make hate crime an aggravated offence etc.

And you think this is a bad thing? Are you for real?