To not vote Labour because of their abhorrent views on the female sex?

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Starmer cannot represent women, he can’t even define us. Questioning a trans person is a hate crime, but misogyny is not. Sorry Labour, you’ve lost my vote. Have they lost anyone else’s??

‘On trans ideology, the vast majority of voters, and certainly a majority of traditional Labour voters from working class backgrounds, tend to cast a sceptical eye on the tenets of an ideological movement that asserts that biological men must be accepted as women – and be offered similar rights and access to women’s spaces and sports as women – simply by asserting their new status’

@lifeturnsonadime sadly I don’t think they will win the next GE. According to the Independent Muslim voters have gone off them because of their resolute stance about a ceasefire in Gaza. Now some ex labour supporting gender critical women are considering voting for the most inept and corrupt government ever, who’ve not achieved anything they promised (apart from Brexit mismanagement).

Well that's your opinion. And mine is that is unreasonable to demand women have over their hard won legal rights, or for a political party to blackmail us with other issues.

Its been women who have been hardest hit by so many issues - austerity, cuts to the carers allowance, the mysterious missing pension money, being illegally paid less than men and having to sue (including having to sue Labour run councils).

All those issue cause poverty. You either care about poverty, and human rights; or you can blithely ignore the problem and walk us straight into yet another social disaster.
Self ID does not work for the benefit of women and undermines safeguarding.

Now some ex labour supporting gender critical women are considering voting for the most inept and corrupt government ever, who’ve not achieved anything they promised (apart from Brexit mismanagement).

Why do you persist in misrepresenting what women are saying on here.

Who has said they are going to vote conservative? I haven't!

@lifeturnsonadime less than an hour ago
Have you actually been reading the replies on the thread? There are loads like this

Such a good post I'm quoting for the newbies

I hold a very dim view who people who don't think that girls and women should be safeguarded against males in public places.

Add to that your misogynistic language up thread.

I'm not interested in what you think.

Effie was responding to me.

If women want to vote conservative that's up to them, isn't it.

We live in a democracy. People can choose who they vote for.

Listen to women....except for the ones that disagree with you. Those ones can go away

You are absolutely right. The hardcore labour voters I know are not voting for them because of this.

And I'm pointing out that you and your friends are blowing this WAY out of proportion. Women and girls and statistically FAR more likely to to be assaulted by a partner, family member or a friend than a random trans woman opportunistically lurking in a toilet.

From the Lioness.

Feminists have LONG pointed out that right and left have developed their own, differing routes to exploiting women.

To suggest feminists who call out left wing bullshit are therefore in support of right wing bullshit is to vastly underestimate how much bullshit there is.

Safeguarding 101 right here.

It doesn't matter if it is statistically likely. We safeguard because there is a risk.

Decent men stay out.

Decent politicians keep males out. Even ones with certificates.

Please never ever take on a safeguarding role.

I don't have to listen to everyone.

Especially ones who reduce arguments on the basis that we 'need not lock our front doors because the chances are we won't be burgled'.

And then calls us shrieking women, hysterical etc for pointing out the error of their argument!

Don't then.

How do you keep males out of toilets exactly?
What would you like to see "politicians" of any stripe do about this? How would it work in public toilets?
Will you ban male cleaners? What about children with their mums? Where is the cut off?

I'm not sure "ban all males from women's toilets" is actually an implementable policy. Happy to hear how people th8nk it could work though.

I don't think anyone has used the term hysterical are you projecting? Maybe it's time to have a break

The Tories proposed self ID and then reverse ferreted when it became clear it was very unpopular.

So, to put it more succinctly, the Tories don't support self ID.

Labour want to make it much easier to get a GRC, which may very well equate to self ID in slightly different terms. They also want to criminalise GC views, against the recent legal precedents.

Whilst saying that they want to improve conditions and safety for women.

If you believe that those things are mutually compatible, consult a bridge sales person.

Spoiling a ballot is an option.

Certainly for me. You'll never get me to vote for my local Labour MP. She has refused to meet with her constituents on the issue of women's protected spaces; her performances on the 'Women and Equalities' committee are awful; she's a rigid ideologue and not not very high intellect to boot........

My vote is meaningful; it matters to me. I'll never vote for someone so fundamentally opposed to things I consider important, and who only represents a narrow part of her wider constituency. She was Corbynista plant into the ward after my old MP Louise Ellman had been bullied out of the CLP for being Jewish and a Friend of Israel. What she was subject to was awful.

Going forward i will only vote for a candidate I can respect. Louise Ellman had no problem in meeting with me on the issue of women's sex based rights and protections, and if she had still been my MP I'd vote for her.

If Nadia Whitome was my MP, for example, I'd not be voting for her, either, or a good few others. I think i could vote for Rachel Reeve with a clear conscience.
Integrity matters.

@AdamRyan

hotinhereandthere · Yesterday 20:05

OP, you're being very silly. As are all the 'gender critical' posters who start these threads and drum up poorly researched hysteria day after day here, some seemingly doing nothing else but posting on these topics or lurking in some TRA forum to get themselves upset.

No I'm not projecting.

Or invest in some lovely magic beans.

No but in many cases not voting Labour or the Lib Dem’s,depending on the constituency, will result in a Tory getting in. Certainly in my constituency.

In my constituency we will get a Tory whether I vote Labour or not.

That's not changing any time soon.

Either way I'm not holding my nose and voting Labour when they are treating women and children so badly on this. They know that there are lots of women who won't vote with this policy. If they want our vote they will do something about it.

Either way I'm not holding my nose and voting Labour when they are treating women and children so badly on this.

How is Labour treating women and children badly? And how is Labour's proposed policy on any of this different from the Tories' apart from actually committing to protect some single sex spaces?

Wasn't it wonderful when the social contract meant that we could be fairly sure that toilets would be free from males with the exception of boys under the age of 8 and potentially male toilet cleaners.

I'm not sure why young boys and toilet cleaners are an excuse for opening the doors to any male who wishes to enter, some of whom do so because they actually get a sexual kick out of it.

And referring to trans women as 'men' or accusing them of being motivated by 'sexual kicks' is offensive and transphobic.