To not vote Labour because of their abhorrent views on the female sex?

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Starmer cannot represent women, he can’t even define us. Questioning a trans person is a hate crime, but misogyny is not. Sorry Labour, you’ve lost my vote. Have they lost anyone else’s??

‘On trans ideology, the vast majority of voters, and certainly a majority of traditional Labour voters from working class backgrounds, tend to cast a sceptical eye on the tenets of an ideological movement that asserts that biological men must be accepted as women – and be offered similar rights and access to women’s spaces and sports as women – simply by asserting their new status’

Yes they have. I haven't said they are blameless.

A society where -

-women is a category which means female and any male who has gained a certificate to say he is a 'legal woman', and

-where children are encouraged to transition and it is considered 'conversion therapy' to say it is impossible to change sex, and

-where women who object and correctly sex a person or ask for single sex provisions are potentially guilty of a hate crime which Labour Party has committed to Diva it will focus on,

Doesn't bode well for women and children.

You may want to ignore that and say there are more important issues.

I disagree.

@AdamRyan agreed. Few other regulars too.

This is not about toilets.

Do you have anything to back that assertion up?

Kemi Badenoch is beating her drum to set herself up for the leadership of the Conservative Party.

However she doesn't seem to be all that popular with the membership.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1862948/tory-members-survey-rishi-sunak-reform
If the Conservative Party lose the forthcoming election whatever she's setting up will be pretty meaningless.

Spiteful? Er…

Who @lifeturnsonadime?

I think they put forward their views very well, no spite

The Tories proposed self ID and then reverse ferreted when it became clear it was very unpopular

2017: Maria Miller (Conservative) MP, Chair of the Women and Equalities Committee, said:

"The Women and Equalities Committee in the last Parliament recommended that the Government bring forward proposals to update the 2004 Gender Recognition Act. Evidence the Committee received during its inquiry in 2015 argued that the process set out in the Act is inappropriately medicalised, and that the principles of gender self-declaration developed in other jurisdictions should be brought to the fore in an updated process"

@lifeturnsonadime you do know that many policies implemented by the tories have affected women, most of them from deprived or vulnerable backgrounds, millions of them and their families. Whether it be shutting Surestart, cutting legal aid, whatever.
And fwiw Labour are not in power and they haven’t released their manifesto. If you’re a labour supporter, even past member 🤔 why on earth would you even consider voting for a party that stands against all your other values ? Doesn’t make sense. Unless of course you’re really 30p Lee.

AdamRyan
Hadn't realised Ian Anderson was a Tory!

In April 2022, Anderson quit his government role over his concerns over ministers’ decisions not to ban archaic conversion therapy practices for transgender people.

He joined Stonewall as Chair of Trustees in October 2022.

Ah the old "I'm GC but...."
🤣🤣🤣🤣

Oh thanks, I tend not to follow the comings and goings at stonewall too closely.

I have LGBT teenage children though and do give stonewall a lot of credit for creating an environment where my lesbian SD and bisexual DD are confident of their sexuality. Very different to when I was a teen and the gay children at school were closeted. It's much healthier for them now.

Effiee, yes I do. Im not a Tory voter.

I know Labour are not in power but they want to be and are likely to be very soon. When they get into power I would like them to put women and children first in respect of not only the policies you have mentioned such as better services like sure start BUT ALSO to ensure that women exist as a sex class independent of all males (including legal women), this is really important for women's rights across all areas, if women includes men then it is difficult to assess sometimes which people are more impacted by particular policies, this is particularly true in health care which is already very male centric.

I have children, one is a daughter, I would like under a Labour Government for her to be able to compete in single sex sport, I'd like her to be able to change in schools or go shopping or swimming and know that that she won't be confronted by a woman with a penis. I would like prizes for women to be for women, not women and some men with a certificate.

I would like children to be safe in accordance with the Cass review that has said that socially transitioning children is harmful. I really don't think that this will happen under Labour according to the Diva article where Starmer has said he will ban 'all forms of conversion therapy'.

All of these things should be possible under a Labour Government.

I don't buy into a theory that women's rights are worth destroying to get rid of the current lot. Once these are lost they are hard to get back. I don't see any evidence that Labour will row back on the harms of gender ideology. I want to put them to task on it. Taking on government of a country is a massive responsibility to the citizens of the country. It is for US to say that we want them to treat women as equal across all policies.

@AdamRyan Gay is not the same as trans.
Gay is same sex attraction.
Trans is gender dysphoria
Are you talking about the stonewall that likened lesbians to racists if they didn't want sex with men identifying as lesbians

This is not about toilets
And yet just a few posts down, on the same page as this one, we have a poster on about changing rooms and penises.
They probably did it unintentionally, but they're kind of proving the point of the pp there!

I have LGBT teenage children though and do give stonewall a lot of credit for creating an environment where my lesbian SD and bisexual DD are confident of their sexuality.

You have a lesbian step daughter. L
You have a bisexual daughter. B

Respect who they are FFS, and stop sticking them in an alphabet soup of other people.

AdamRyan
Rape is effectively decriminalised, which means rapists can rape with impunity.
In my opinion this represents of the biggest issues facing women in the UK today (violence against women and girls).

I'd rather vote for action than words

Sir Keir Starmer opposed the deportation of a rapist...

Fabian Henry, 40, was imprisoned for attacking a 17-year-old girl twice and for abducting and having sex with a 15-year-old. He was supposed to be deported to Jamaica along with 41 other people but their removal was opposed by Starmer and other politicians.

They endorsed a letter a few days before the flight was scheduled to take off
and demanded the cancellation of “all further deportations”,

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/keir-starmer-opposed-expulsion-of-rapist-fabian-henry-7ccts05zk

• Sir Keir Starmer went to 21 of 23 meetings of the Sentencing Council.
• It decided not all child sex offenders should go to prison.
• The Council decided 20 sexual crimes could be punished via community orders.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11958253/Keir-Starmer-present-meetings-decided-not-sex-offenders-prison.html

I'm another life long Labour voter who won't ever vote Tory but currentely can't vote Labour. They have lost my vote. I am politically homeless.

The Tories proposed self ID and then reverse ferreted when it became clear it was very unpopular
In other words, the Tory Party had the basic common sense to listen to the electorate.
How evil can you get?

Scraping the barrel a bit there clav

How are we going to manage "innocent until proven guilty" if barristers can then be smeared when they represent objectionable people?

Well it was me who said it's not about toilets. It isn't.

It was also me who said I would like my teenage daughter to be able to access changing rooms and sport without coming across a female penis.

I mean how ridiculous is it that that even needs to be said. Starmer says it's a non issue because less than 1% of women have a penis.

Has he lost his mind?

The fact is that technically he is right because the Labour Party introduced a law in 2004 which means that some men are legal women.

It might be unintended consequences that we have to be worried that our daughters might now be flashed at by a female penis in a changing room, if that were the case presumably the Labour Party will be quick to reverse that law to ensure it can't happen.

But this isn't just about toilets or changing rooms.

It's about an ideology that organises society based on feelings rather than material reality. It harms people, particularly women and children.

I quite like having legal protections thanks. In fact the Tories track record of breaking the law, even when it's only in "limited and specific ways", is one of the reasons I could never vote for them.

Actually, some of us care about the women being locked in prison cells with males, being raped in 'female' hospital wards and no longer being able to complete fairly in sports. You might feel OK with not giving a shit unless it affects 'most' women but thankfully some of us are able to be more empathic than that.

I'm waiting for MNHQ to explain why it's ok for a poster to refer to a Black woman as beating her drum.
But not ok to draw attention to it as a racist trope..

because it's not a racist trope.
It's referring to army drummers calling the troops together.
Not everything is racism