Why am I being asked by the NHS if my 8 month old baby 'still identifies as the gender assigned at birth?'

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We had a medical concern with our 8 month old baby, so I rang 111 for advice, we got directed to a lovely nurse to ask further questions, all going well until she asked....

'Does she identify as the gender assigned at birth?'

Oh wait a minute, let me just ASK her..

Surely parents wouldn't have made that decision to 'change the gender' of their baby?

What is going on, I understand the question may need to be asked for older teenagers/adults but a baby?!?!

Aibu to feel a bit annoyed and confused?

Ridiculous. Tell them no, and you’re going to sue them for assigning the wrong one.

Same. I'd deffo be making it known that it's a completely inappropriate and imo disgusting question but no vitriol aimed at the dogs body on the phone. Just for their records. How would you even complain about something like this? Because I would want to..

This is actually very sad.

It's sad that competent people are being passed up for the good jobs in favour of people with an agenda.

It’s sad that our health service is normalising serious mental health conditions.

It’s sad that people who do not believe in this ideology are forced by their employers to go along with it, and are too scared of being suspended and losing their jobs to refuse and push back.

The power has gone to people who are quite frankly dangerous.

This example might seem just a small thing, but it’s a sign of who’s winning.

The language used now is 'assigned at birth' but we used to be sexed... wtf

Anyway, sex is binary based on reproductive organs/genitalia - male or female. I don't know what they do if a person does not have genitalia or has both.

Gender is fluid and noone should be assigning a person's gender through hormones or surgery until they are an adult. Obviously, a young person can decide they are a different gender, but that shouldn't be supported by irreversible interventions until they are an adult. And as the nhs is on all fours, at deaths door, surgery should not be on the nhs, just like if you are born with massive boobs, the nhs doesn't reduce them for you anymore, even if that impacts health.

Anyone who wants what is effectively cosmetic surgery needs to pay for it themselves. Harsh reality of what people expect and what the nhs can provide.

What happens in the USA?

Why are you using words you clearly don't know the meaning of? Completely invalidates any point you have an exposes you as a bit of a ranty right-wing snowflake tbh.

But actually, it is fairly simple to programme into the script a direction which is age based. So the screen would not prompt such ludicrous questions once the age of the patient was established ( which would be probably question 1).

Why does it matter? Because it is an attempt to normalise the very unsettling concept that you can change your ‘identity’ whenever you fancy, even if you can’t actually verbalise.

The rest of us can see quite clearly what the issue is here. Maybe you need to think a little harder.

Gender is only recently fluid. 40 years ago it was male or female. People of course can live how they like, I don’t care what you want to wear or how you do your hair, but I believe in biological and not recent fad language.

justteanbiscuits · Yesterday 20:49
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Because it's a one size fits all form. They ask the same questions for everyone. If you think about how many people each person must speak to each day, it's so much easier for them to just ask all the questions.”

This. They obviously can’t tailor the questions to every caller. Is it really worth getting worked up about?

I think you should complain. How would someone for whom English is an additional language necessarily have a clue how to respond, when calling at a time presumably when they are facing a difficult potentially traumatic situation?

Agree it is not the person answering the phone who should face any complaint.

The very fact that it's fluid should tell you it's not a real thing...

It's like the robots from 111- are you calling about yourself? Yes. Is the patient awake and breathing. Nahhhhh

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*It’s unfortunate the NHS wastes time and money on this utter shite. My MIL got asked if she was or could be pregnant. She asked the nurse why she was asking when she knows she is over pension age FFS. She said was part of an “inclusivity” drive and they are not allowed to assume! I just fucking despair and makes me glad we have decided to leave this mad country.
No wonder the govt wants the NHS to get rid of the dickheads being paid vast amounts of money to propagate this bollocks

The Conservative Government is in charge. They make their Conservative rules. The NHS is obeying their Conservative instructions.

Write to your Conservative MP / Conservative Health Minister/ Conservative PM Rishi Sunak.*

Believe it or not I already have. The answer is that NHS Foundation Trusts are independent..which is true.

But they don't need to ask the question at all. What medical relevancy does it have?

I would complain. Not directly to the call handler (although I would query why that question was needed) but directly to 111 and probably my MP

It's a script. Don't shoot the messenger, complain to the people in charge.

Same as if you tell 111 you're calling for yourself and they ask if you are breathing. It's a script. They follow it.

Well infact they have to ask. Recently i was in the hair dresses and a lady came in with her gf. They both identify as non binary. She's heavily pregnant and has autism. She was telling the hair dresser her baby will be non binary. She was under social services whilst pregnant. Nearly fell of my chair!

Glad to hear social services are involved. Poor baby.

Stonewall makes a shedload of money by undertaking to ‘train’ organisations in this sort of shite.

NHS money is paying for this!

Those damn Marxists...

The Communist Party is the only political party with a coherent political analysis of sex and gender. Gender as an ideological construct should not be confused or conflated with the material reality of biological sex. Gender is the vehicle through which misogyny is enacted and normalised. Gender identity ideology is well- suited to the needs of the capitalist class, focusing as it does on individual as opposed to collective rights, enabling and supporting the super-exploitation of women.*

At last I've found a party I can vote for! Unfortunately I doubt if they are fielding a candidate in the naice part of Surrey I live in*

Well thankfully you don't speak for everyone, definitely not me & my point is as valid as yours

Absolutely absurd. I'd have to tell them it's a ridiculous question. It's pathetic. We mustn't pander to this nonsense!

I went for an MRI scan last month, name and dob on my form. Was asked if I could be pregnant, I answered that at 74 any pregnancy would be by immaculate conception.

Sunsetboardwalk · Yesterday 12:11

MrsSkylerWhite · Yesterday 11:58

justteanbiscuits · Yesterday 20:49
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Because it's a one size fits all form. They ask the same questions for everyone. If you think about how many people each person must speak to each day, it's so much easier for them to just ask all the questions.”

This. They obviously can’t tailor the questions to every caller. Is it really worth getting worked up about?
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But they don't need to ask the question at all. What medical relevancy does it have

Yes, on the face of it that’s true but they work to a standard questionnaire. Again, questions obviously can’t be tailored to every caller.
Whenever we’ve had to call, the operator has always said at the beginning of the call “I’m afraid some of these questions may seem irrelevant but we have to ask them”. I suspect OP was told the same.

Just don’t understand why someone would get so worked up about it. Just say yes and move on.

Gender and sex are the same thing are they not?