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We can have a Tory government and Brexit or we can have the NHS. Which do you choose?

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verdantverdure · 02/02/2024 20:13

YANBU I'm not a millionaire so I chose the NHS.

YABU I am a millionaire so I don't need the NHS and I choose Brexit and Tory government.

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verdantverdure · 03/03/2024 07:56

Thisisnotarehearsal · 02/03/2024 16:07

As a floating voter, I find this such an odd way to frame the question.

Clearly choosing who to vote for is nowhere near this simplistic.

Otherwise you could frame it as, you can have Kier Starmer who thinks some women have a penis, or you can have Sunak who actually understands reality.

If you pick one single issue, of course it is easy to make one party look unpalatable. It's probably unhelpful to encourage people to view politics in such a binary fashion.

You can’t equate what the Torieshave done to the NHS leading to more of us suffering and dead to mouthing a slogan surely?

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izimbra · 03/03/2024 23:29

Thisisnotarehearsal · 02/03/2024 16:07

As a floating voter, I find this such an odd way to frame the question.

Clearly choosing who to vote for is nowhere near this simplistic.

Otherwise you could frame it as, you can have Kier Starmer who thinks some women have a penis, or you can have Sunak who actually understands reality.

If you pick one single issue, of course it is easy to make one party look unpalatable. It's probably unhelpful to encourage people to view politics in such a binary fashion.

Trans women may have a penis, and many of us accept trans women as women.

Dressinggownonthefloor · 03/03/2024 23:37

KnittedCardi · 11/02/2024 21:31

It doesn't matter. The entire West is in managed decline. No-one has an effective answer to top heavy populations, mass immigration or declining quality of life. The planet is warming, pretty much everyone has rowed back on doing anything about it, because it will lead to further decline, the Middle East, Russia and China are in chaos, and no-one else can do anything about that. The American voters have a choice of two dementia ridden idiots to set the world agenda. Who is in charge of UK Plc is a fairly mute point.

This is the best summing up of the state that the world is in right now that I've read for a long time

Alexandra2001 · 04/03/2024 11:45

Dressinggownonthefloor · 03/03/2024 23:37

This is the best summing up of the state that the world is in right now that I've read for a long time

That, arguably is the state of the World but it doesn't mean we in the UK cannot do things differently.

The money is there, right now, to rebuild education, health and transport & in doing so, improve productivity.

Other European countries, whilst facing similar challenges are not in the mess we are in.

We in the UK can vote for terminal decline or vote for a change in political priorities.

The "oh we are all fucked" brigade just want us to think there is no alternative so we vote back in the Tories, its all they ve got left after 14 years of total failure.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 04/03/2024 11:47

verdantverdure · 02/02/2024 20:25

Did you not see the Channel 4 piece of the NHS Crisis @Shouldgetupearlier?

12 hour waits on a trolley didn't used to be a thing.

But they are now.

Actually they were in the '90s under the last majority conservative goverment.

izimbra · 04/03/2024 14:51

"No-one has an effective answer to top heavy populations, mass immigration"

Immigration is the part of the answer to declining birth rates and top heavy populations.

Realists know this. Xenophobes and the right won't acknowledge it because it's politically unpopular.

Really suggest you look beyond the Daily Telegraph for intelligent and insightful debates on migration.

This is a good place to start

https://podcast.app/exodus-and-revelations-the-truth-about-migration-with-prof-hein-de-haas-e344298276/?utmsource=ios&utmm_medium=share

verdantverdure · 06/03/2024 19:38

There does seem to be an wilful ignorance on the topic of how Immigration is about the only thing propping our economy up.

Statistically people feel less confident about the economy and how it will affect their living costs and job security under the Tories so have fewer babies.

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verdantverdure · 06/03/2024 21:27

Which is why the OBR has revised their expectation of annual net migration up from 245k to 315k a year in the medium term. The economy depends on it.

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verdantverdure · 08/03/2024 16:03

Neurodiversitydoctor · 04/03/2024 11:47

Actually they were in the '90s under the last majority conservative goverment.

Funny that!

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