We can have a Tory government and Brexit or we can have the NHS. Which do you choose?

[verdantverdure]

YANBU I'm not a millionaire so I chose the NHS.

YABU I am a millionaire so I don't need the NHS and I choose Brexit and Tory government.

Lots of posts seem quite keen to get rid of the NHS…

The Tories have borrowed a frightening amount of money but somehow managed not to provide adequate basic services.

Where has it all gone?

Jesus weren’t you on here during covid?

The amount of posts demanding sectors were closed

Then people demanding cash payments for COL crisis

Whatever people got they wanted more

Wrong. My father died after a wait longer than that in 2002. There was a recognised crisis then.

Lol no. The choices are:
Annihilate the country within a matter of years.
Annihilate the country within a few more years.

Not a democracy fan over here.

Precisely, because apparently governments can print money until the cows come home!

Would you choose cancer, or knowing the cure to cancer? What a weird question. Would you choose dog shite or ice cream? Hmmm...

Who do you think benefits from this debt, the asset rich (very rich) again!

Here’s the latest gem. NHS says that drug induced chest milk from men is just as good as women’s breast milk. So the NHS has enough money to validate paedos who want to sexually abuse children this way but not enough money to do basic healthcare.

@caringcarer I don't think people should pay for their own food.

However when DS was in hospital last year, the food was disgusting to the point of being barely edible. I remember thinking what a colossal waste it was to transport, store, cook, carry round the hospital, just for sick people to sigh at it and leave it so it can be carried off to a big bin and taken off for recycling or landfill or whatever.

One edible, nutritious meal a day that gets eaten would be preferable to three inedible ones that get binned.

DS was only 3, so it's not like he's a connoisseur or anything. Example - pasta they apparently cook in troughs of water in the oven until it's floppy and sticky. It's just something you would never want in your mouth. Hospital makes things harder to digest anyway as you're sitting around all day.

Give it a rest. Cost of healthcare = tens of billions, cost of a statement on male lactate = about £20

Interestingly it's impossible to find the actual letter from the NHS. It's a very strange news story.

That's like standing over a dead body holding a defib and hoping you can resurrect it. It's too late.

No, it’s like suggesting we stop the murderers murdering it before they succeed in murdering it.

Into Tory peer Michelle Mones pocket?

It must have been creamed off somewhere.

We have the biggest working population we’ve ever had before, we’re all working longer than we ever had to before, and labouring under the highest tax burden since the war.

Where’s our money gone?!

And you think 12hr waits on trollies will cease under Labour? Oh dear...

Oh sure, yeah nothing has ever changed under a Labour government and I’m sure this will be similar.

NHS

I just can't see how with the current COL crisis and the amount of poverty in the UK that the vast majority of people can afford the giant tax hike it would take to save the NHS.

I live in France and despite the massive amount of tax that is ring fenced for our health service it is less good than it was 30 years ago.

And 30 years ago it was already in a different league to the UK. I remember being sent for a mammogram and them saying this afternoon or tomorrow and being stunned. Now it would be at least a 2 week wait for a routine one.

I don't want the NHS or Brexit so can't vote, but there doesn't seem to be a voting option anyway

Labour will not be able to make the NHS the way it was at inception any more than they will be able to undo Brexit.

It would take a very courageous individual to commit to the changes needed and even if they did, to change and reform the NHS will likely take a decade or more, not a 5 year term.

TBH non of our politicians seem principled enough or charismatic enough to pull it off.

That old chestnut 🙄

The traditional model training served its purpose in its time, but with the continuous advancements in medicine and the increasing acuity of patients, the minimum educational requirement for nurses to ensure safe and effective patient care has shifted towards a Bachelor's degree. In fact, many nurses are pursuing further education, including Master's and PhD programs, which has been correlated with reduced patient mortality rates. Numerous studies support the notion that patients under the care of nurses with higher educational qualifications tend to experience better prognoses compared to those cared for by nurses without a degree.
The antiquated notion of a nurse solely as a caregiver limited to fluffing pillows and serving as a subordinate to physicians is obsolete. This portrayal perpetuates misogynistic rhetoric aimed at maintaining substandard pay and working conditions within the profession..

@verdantverdure If you really want to know (as a pose to lots of people who opine about tax and spend and don't actually want to know because it would challenge their views/politics/values/beliefs) I really recommend 'Follow the Money' by Paul Johnson. It is a forensic look at what tax is raised and what it is really spent on (and a bit of why).
https://dauntbooks.co.uk/shop/books/follow-the-money-how-much-does-britain-cost/

Even millionaires may need the NHS in an emergency.