Naming convicted killers - Brianna

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...Ghey case. In favour of or against as it impacts their rehabilitation? I'm in favour of it - if you've committed a heinous crime you sign away all your rights to be protected in my opinion - what comes your way and being ousted is part of your lot.... I'm not talking about self defence type, rather premeditated and horribly evil crimes. But I think this should be a consistent theme and not just when some judges decide to....at the momentvits not consistent practice.
Aibu to think it's right to name and shame?

Very interesting. I was reading an article about a murder yesterday. The offenders names were first and victims name was far down in the article.

I don't understand why we need to know their names. The state will punish them and it's not the business of the general public to know anything more about them. This applies in all criminal cases, not just with young people.

I think we do have to own responsibility for trans hatred. The conversation around trans is so toxic these days. This is a wake up call for all of us to watch what we say and more importantly how we say it.

Sorry. Just responded to the wrong post. How does that happen?

No. They are not going to be punished beyond the sentence. That's it

They won't be 'punished' in custody, that's not how it works.

I saw an interview with the head teacher of the school where Brianna and the girl went. She was saying now the anonymity order has been lifted they are able to have much more open conversations with the pupils and wider community, offering reassurance, answering questions etc.

That has to be a good thing. These types of crimes affect whole communities.

Completely agree. This site is flooded with the above. I can’t speak for the Jenkinson parents but my god, we just do our best and are at the mercy of the system. Honestly interested to know what would have been done. I can’t imagine they thought, no matter how troubled their girl was, it would lead to this.

It’s weird to think they may be released at the age of 35. That’s still very young and enough time to live a quite a full life. Assume they will be given new identities, so does it matter if we know their names or not? Awful for their families too.

Having worked with young offenders, I'm against it. It serves no one. It makes it more difficult for them to be purposeful members of society should they ever be released and it punishes their families. Why spend taxpayers money giving them new identities should they be released?
Naming is only to fulfill the salacious appetite of the press, who are the ones who petition for it. I know this having also worked in news.

Did you see their mugshots? Proper wrong'uns.

They look like regular ordinary teenagers (sans makeup).

The idea that particular facial features indicate criminality has been regarded as hokum for decades.

They are scum. RIP Breanna

People will know who they are anyway. I'm sure it was all over social media and I think people will notice that they have disappeared from the area so would have put two and two together.
Plus these young offenders are clearly evil psychopaths who can't become useful members of society.

Can't stop thinking how children become evil like this?

And how aware the parents were of their violent nature and thinking?

It’s dreadful. Obviously for Brianna and her family- she’s one of the ‘victims’ I think you really get a sense of her personality and what she’s like which is so sad. And obviously for the families of the killers- more so the boy who I don’t get the impression would have done it if he wasn’t encouraged by the girl. Horrible all round.

Naming them may at least make them feel shame knowing that everyone will know what they've done including people who they hope to impress or want them to think well of them. Shame may lead to reflection and then remorse.

Anonymity almost feels like they are getting away with it... 'That boy that I really fancied and tried to impress will never know that I'm really a monster capable of committing such horrific acts'

What is it in particular about their faces that makes them stand out to you as criminal?

There's an interesting podcast by Sky on Amazon Prime that approaches this question, called 'Should children who kill be named?' It features lawyers clarifying the law plus a journalist who was in court throughout the trial in the Bulger case.

The law is clear that naming minors at the point of conviction isn't a question of retribution, but of whether public interest in particular cases outweighs the wellbeing of the defendants. Justice Yip decided that on this occasion it does, but has made decisions in other cases not to name the defendants.

The anonymity of Jenkinson and Ratcliffe lapses in 2025 in any event, which would only have stirred up interest again once the dust has settled on the case. The level of public interest wouldn't determine the outcome, but the benefit to the public in discussing and learning from the situation, would. It seems it's on this basis that the decision was made.

Anonymity is incredibly hard these days in any event: their names have been all over the internet for months. Brianna Ghey's father, interestingly enough, appeared on the podcast saying that he was against naming them. Initially he had been for it, but as things played out he changed his mind, saying he doesn't want the identities of his daughters' murderers forever connected with her name. In some sense he felt that would be giving them the last word, whereas it would be preferable in his eyes for them to be locked away and forgotten about.

Who is the we you're referring to?

It was reported on extensively throughout the trial.

Yes, sure, they come from decent upstanding families with nothing out of the ordinary to see...

Their identities have been know and all over social media since the murder so on one side I don't see an issue with it but on the other side I believe they deserve anonymity.
Then again, if they're ever let out they'll be given new identities anyway so it kinda seems irrelevant

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/scarlett-jenkinson-brianna-ghey-killer-sentencing-b2489498.html

If this is true I think this is awful. Total failure in communication.

They are not normal kids. Plus families may or may not a role especially on case of Scarlett, the sadist girl, who was transferred from another school 4 months ago for giving a 13 year old.cannibis and then trying to poison Briana 2 weeks ago before actually killing her, not to mention creating a detailed plan of killing her on a piece of paper.
Id the parents didnt notice anything wrong woth their 15 year old, then they have failed the family of murdered kid too.

Op, I am in favour.

I’m finding it difficult to understand why people are harping on about the families of the perpetrators. Anyone local will know who they are, so it’s not very outing and I’m sure they have already received abuse