Naming convicted killers - Brianna

[Noangelbuthavingfun]

...Ghey case. In favour of or against as it impacts their rehabilitation? I'm in favour of it - if you've committed a heinous crime you sign away all your rights to be protected in my opinion - what comes your way and being ousted is part of your lot.... I'm not talking about self defence type, rather premeditated and horribly evil crimes. But I think this should be a consistent theme and not just when some judges decide to....at the momentvits not consistent practice.
Aibu to think it's right to name and shame?

No idea what that means.

Name! I hope they never come out.

I must admit that I thought it was reasonable to name them, but having read some of the blame of the parents on here and irrationality, now I'm thinking I don't see the public benefit.

As for the trans issue, the two that killed seem to hate a lot of people, there was a kill list in which Brianna wasn't even top, and the girl who is now in a secure unit has made a new kill list subsequently. It seems she is highly disturbed, even at the age of 15/16. But hating Brianna because she was trans was part of their motivation, so trans was very much a part of this crime. Poor Brianna, she looked such a sweetheart and what happened is just beyond imagination.

At the point of sentencing, if the minimum term will take them beyond 18 years of age.

Definitely in favour - even moreso after reading that Scarlett Jenkinson had drugged another pupil and had attempted to poison Brianna before finally killing her in the park. She sounds totally evil.

What's wrong with women today? It only seems a little while ago that we had the Lucy Letby case.

@DuesToTheDirt

they knew what she was like, removed from one school already, they knew

I don't think they will be shamed though, as the OP implies. Once you have got to the stage of wanting to take body trophies, I suspect something more grandiose is going on, and being notorious is probably fine by at least the girl. The parents will be shamed, the ones who think it's fine to go around making kill lists and adding to them, even after killing one person, probably not so much. Shame just isn't part of that, sadly.

But even if you know your child is highly disturbed, remove them from one school, what are you supposed to do with them? I haven't seen anyone say exactly what you think anyone could do- even reporting this, it would have been all put down to obsessions and fantasies, sadly some teens in the MH system do have dark fantasies and intrusive thoughts, and it would be hard to pick out the ones that are going to do something this atypical.

Why no sympathy for their relations? Imagine this was your child or sister/brother who committed this heinous act. Your life would be utterly ruined and you would be totally devastated even though you had done nothing wrong yourself. I have a huge amount of sympathy for them as well as for the victim and her family.

This is a genuine question but are there many children with conduct disorders who grow up in families/homes described as stable and normal? I can’t get my head around that at all (I might just be very ill-informed though).

Newspapers are not ‘asked’ they are ordered by the judge imposing an order. However, the principle of open justice means adult defendants will be named. In the case of the two teen killers, they won’t be out for decades.

There is no evidence as far as I’m aware that Jenkinson’s parents knew she was planning to murder or capable of doing so, nor any evidence that they abused her or had any hand in turning her into a murderer. No doubt they feel horribly guilty that they brought such a monster into the world but I don’t think it’s right to heap any of the blame for Brianna’s death on them.

If not then that's a mistake.

Conjecture, speculation, judgemental.

Deleted post kept referring to Brianna as he 🙄

Conduct disorder is something that includes many elements common to psychopathy or sociopathy. It's one of the issues with the diagnosis of personality disorders which are rebranded into different categories in the DSM.

It is better to look at the behaviour than the label. This girl was sexually gratified by her sadistic murder. Because of human rights law it cannot be definitively said she cannot be rehabilitated because of her age, but had she been at adult then it would have been possible.

We don't know the background. But I would guess this girl has been hurting other children for some time before what is known now.

She had been excluded from one school for giving cannabis sweets to a younger child. She had also tried to poison Brianna before. I very much doubt these things happen in isolation.

Definitely should be named. They don't deserve anonymity.

what’s that got to do with what I wrote?

Yes Mu may have been used or tried to be, as a contributing factor.... but not as a 'get out clause'

*MH

Same near where I live.

A friend lives nearby and said the parents were decent. Think the mum was a teacher.

I think it’s right that each case is decided individually when the offenders are children. I think it’s probably hard to balance out publishing information in the public interest and protecting them as children (children who has committed a horrible crime). I don’t think there should be a flat rule as each case has so many complexities especially when children are involved.

My emotional brain says name them obviously, but I think things like this need to also be considered from a more neutral stance.

A distant relative was a victim of one of the big high profile murderers who is very notorious, so this got me thinking a bit. It strikes me as sad that my relative's name and story is lost to time whereas everyone remembers the name of her killer. Just another perspective.