To be furious at Brexit checks 'price you pay to be sovereign again'

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/31/uk-minister-andrea-leadsom-brexit-checks-price-you-pay-sovereign-state-again

Andrea Leadsom saying barrier checks are the price of sovereignty.

This is not what they promised, is it? The bare faced lies of it all. They've delayed introducing checks because they knew they couldn't square it with Leave campaign promises. In the end, the issue of NI was only solvable by these checks.

This is supposed to cost £330m a year. It will make food more expensive and supply less reliable. There is zero, absolutely zero, benefit to the country. It's just a direct detriment imposed because they can't accept the whole thing is a fuck up.

They never actually express what this sovereignty is supposed to do for us, or what was problematic about the EU rules. It's all on 'the principle of the thing'. Sovereignty won't feed hungry children, will it?

I think I'm just as piping mad about this as I was in 2016 - they're taking the whole country for fools.

Michael Gove in 2016

https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1752486997850001465?s=20

We would be part of a free trade zone.. We would have access to the countries of the single market by being in a free trade zone.. We would have the capacity to trade freely with all of the countries in the European Union"

I was enjoying this thread until page 3
I'm with you OP. Every time I think about "project fear" and "we won, get over it" I get the rage

I will be devoting my energy to calling to joining the single market at v least or best of all re join the EU as we should never have left.

Well Clavinova maybe Leadsom should have tweeted an article titled 'nobody has a crystal ball' rather than "Brexit Would Have No Impact On UK Economy, Says Andrea Leadsom"

I am glad the EU are standing up to Orban.

It doesn’t seem to come up much in policies

Do you think all of them Labour included have just decided we can’t go there

You are so wrong. We import more than tropical fruit, rice and pasta!

As for being cheaper in supermarkets on the continent, absolutely not. I spend time in Europe and this is really not true in the slightest. I am gobsmacked at the poor quality of fresh food and the high prices here, compared to continental Europe.

What makes me laugh is... I know people who voted Brexit. They told me so at the time. I remember.
They are now rewriting history and saying they didn't vote Brexit, they were just joking.
No you're not. You're embarrassed at what a shitshow this is.

Oh well... our vacuums have more power and the signs in the Dartford Tunnel are in feet not metres so all is well.

I feel so sorry for younger people (I'm older). My DD did Erasmus, she was lucky. It gave her such an opportunity The new Turing scheme is apparently a complete nightmare, no reciprocal arrangements and near impossible to study in Europe, but having to apply to Hong Kong, Canada instead. And Unis only hearing about funding a month before students are due to leave.

I hate hate hate Brexit and no I won't stop talking about it and move on.

Ok. But people need to stop going on about that fucking bus and the £350m being nonsense. The NHS chomps through nearly £200bn a year; what figure do the Tories need to spend of your money to convince people it's enough? £500bn? £1trn?

She is our local MP. She is awful.

I think Starmer and co rightly don’t want this election to be about Brexit or rejoining as it’s a bit too soon but I think the coming years there will be more MPs openly discussing the benefits of being part of the single market and customs union.

I loathe Leadsom, I really do. She typifies everything I dislike about the Tory Party

BouncingJAS
She was a failure at her job

How would you know? Your first post implied she was a career politician.

All of us in the City pretty much all fell off our chair laughing when she claimed to have worked as an investment banker

Leadsom never claimed to have personally been a fund manager, and Bob Yerbury, former Chief Investment Officer at Invesco Perpetual and Leadsom's former manager, dismissed the controversy about how she described her time there and described her as "totally honest"

And what do you think about Rachel Reeves' CV? There's a great deal of hype about her having worked for the Bank of England - as far as I can see she stopped working for the Bank of England when she was aged 27.

I think there will be a slow creep back. Like rejoining Horizon, which as someone who works in STEM, I was very pleased to see.

Listened to a brexit supporter on LBC this evening. He quite seriously said that trade with the EU hadn’t changed and was ‘98%’ the same as before. Tom Swarbrick was gobsmacked. This is what we are fighting, the deliberate distortion of facts quite clearly designed to influence the more gullible.

Also read up about Putin. He is the one who has decided the west is his enemy, has invaded Ukraine and hugely hints he wishes to invade neighbouring European countries. Europe don’t want war but Putin’s actions and words suggest he may want it. Orban supports Putin.

@Roussette No, I meant, for environmental reasons, I buy food with as few miles on them as possible, which means I buy British food for my family wherever possible. I buy seasonal produce and so any extra charges will have less impact on my bill.

Hopefully others will do the same.

I agree and v much hope this will happen.

I always buy British when I can but honestly some just cannot afford to. I live rurally, my local Co-op has fruit and veg locally grown, it's about 3 times the price. Ditto meat from local farmers.

Need to fund it equivalent to other EU countries who spend more on healthcare. Tories underfunded it hugely between 2010-2018 and recent increases are not enough to make up for it.

@Clavinova

The City at the Senior Manager level is a fairly small circle of people. Her reputation there is one of comfortable incompetence (there were people like this around who got in based on personal references and not how much value they could add to the bottom line. They dont last all that long and cap out career-wise by being managed out into a role they cannot do much damage in). Nobody speaks highly of her in terms of how productive she was at her job.

Rachel reeves basically got caught plagiarising her book.

Personally, I would have fired her.

But I suspect Starmer doesn't really have anybody that can remotely replace her.

This is the problem with UK politics.

Absolutely nobody competent would ever go into politics. Not in a million years. They stay in the private sector.

So Boris could get his name in the history books. I eagerly await the publication of Boris: The Bloke Who Ballsed Up Britain and Beyond.

TheNoonBell
Just be thankful we aren't part of an increasingly authoritarian union that is going out of it's way to destroy the economy of a member state who disagrees with the endless support for a foreign war

Ah yes, the famous 'veto' - Hungary exercises its veto and the EU plots to destabalise Hungary's economy in return.

NB -
I recognise several posters on this thread who recently claimed that EU member states could block every EU law with a veto. However, if you look on the EU's website it quite clearly states that around 80% of all EU legislation is adopted by qualified majority voting;

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/council-eu/voting-system/qualified-majority/

Unanimity voting is limited to specific policy areas;

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/council-eu/voting-system/unanimity/

I welcome this kind of thing for sure

I’m not sure if something as big as FOM ie SM would happen without a vote at GE at least

"..guess my point is that I think everyone should be furious about this - Brexit voters as much as anyone".

Tbh most of the people I know who voted for Brexit (colleagues, school parents, gym) aren't they type to watch the news. They won't know this is happening.

Moaning about Brexit is a completely pointless waste of time. We all know it has been a disaster for Britain, but it won’t be reversed in the foreseeable future because rejoining is politically impossible. Starmer knows this perfectly well.

Uncontrolled mass immigration is an even more toxic issue now than it was back in 2016. Rejoining would inevitably mean accepting freedom of movement. Anyone who thinks England outside the M25 would vote for that in a referendum is deluded.