To not want to be sat near loud cackling women

[Ferretmad2]

What is it with groups of loud, cackling women these days? Third time I’ve eaten out recently and next to a table full of shouty, cackling women who seem to be in a contest of who can cackle the loudest. Doesn’t seem to matter whether it’s a posh place or not. I’m fed up of having to be sat near them whilst waiting for my food. Can’t move as we are in a table of 7. My three autistic children are completely silent! Feel like following my eldest child’s example and getting noise cancelling AirPods.

I call them scream laughers.

My parents are odd about noise (mother hypersensitive and father pretty deaf), and they fuss about choosing 'quiet' places to eat and drink out. I have booked places saying to them 'last time I was here it was nice and quiet, but I can't guarantee we won't end up on a table next to a group of 'scream laughers'.

And I can't. And scream laughers have occassionally ruined a meal out with my mother wincing, and my father unable to hear anything and join in the conversation. But that is a risk taken when eating out!

@tinytemper66 I haven’t lived in Wales for over 15+ years but when I went back for that wedding (and hen) I realised how loud Welsh women can be when they get together!

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@User1775 was anyone talking about normal laughing or a "giggle"? No. Wind your neck in. "Bigotry"

Because they are loud and annoying, if that's how they have fun then don't do it in public

You should never have moved to Salem.

OH goes to SW but doesn't stay to group as its just so noisy. There are apparently small groups who use it as their meet up and rather than chat outside they sit in the room talking with no concern to others. As the groups all talk they get louder and louder trying to talk over each other. Even when the lady running the session asked them to quieten it would only last a couple of minutes and they'd start up again. So he doesn't bother staying as its just to much random noise.

Cackling is a really misogynistic term.

You lost me as soon as you used that word.

Men or women.
Extremely unpleasant and off putting.
People lacking in self awareness have ruined so many meals for me, I rarely feel like dining out anymore.

YANBU, OP. I hate this too as noise triggers my anxiety. I don't think they are necessarily being selfish, but alcohol seems to desensitise people to the amount of noise they are making and obviously makes them much more outgoing. I don't notice the same problem in coffee shops.

Also, restaurants cram in as many tables as they can so you can end up being very close to others, which doesn't help.

Easy to see who the cacklers people who are really loud when out and don't care are on this thread 🤣🤣🤣

One of the several reasons I and my OH desist from eating out. The number of times we've had to ensure loud people inc there phone shit chats means we are happier eating at home

When at times we stay in a hotel, we always try to miss the peak periods and outside school hols or go to places known for having a clientele of ignorant people.

Even worse, some people see some clown they see as a friend and start taking BS next to peoples tables.

Yeah that's what I thought too

Probably IS a man...posting to cause an argument

Was out for lunch recently and twice it was pensioners having lunch. Maybe they are deaf or maybe it is the booze they consume but OMG my friendd and I couldnt hear ourselves. Basically a load of places are like this now as people feel very self entitled. My Sil is in a group like this and they start drinking every Sat about 3pm and have been banned from a Wethersppons .That's hard going.

I respect your opinion, but very much disagree.
When you are dining out, you are not just paying for what you eat and drink, (and it can be increasingly expensive as venues have a COL crisis too), but the service and general ambience of the place.
Therefore you are perfectly entitled to be able to dine in relative peace and comfort. And I mean "relative", not perfect.

But it's not up to each person to decide on the "ambience" for each place. Everywhere is different. Its up to the establishment, so if they aren't telling these women to quiet down, maybe they are as entitled to their "cackling" as the people seething silently in the corner.

This.
Would you say same if it was men and not women?

I know what the OP means. Loud laughing can be worse than loud talking because it's at a higher pitch. It cuts straight through you. But noisy groups are really painful for others. The only exception is when most people in the place are loud and drunk.

This reminds me of a video I once watched (think it was an advert actually) where a couple of women were sitting, possibly waiting for an appointment. One was on her phone amd every few seconds just laughed (well, shrieked) really loudly, until the other woman grabbed her phone, chucked it on the floor and then shrieked back at her.

Yes, I missed the point of the thread 😅

@LikeagoddamnVampire @InAnotherLifetimeMaybe
Agree completely... misogynistic comment 'cackling'...man or woman posting it. Please tell me OP what youd call a group of men in this scenario? Boisterous? Lads being lads?

Because some women do cackle. They don't laugh, they cackle. I don't have a problem with people laughing.
Loud men laughing are just as irritating.

In fact people who can't talk without shouting are even worse.

Why can't people talk at a normal conversational level?

I can't stand loud, fake, competitive laughter. There's absolutely no need for it. Natural laughter is never so jarring and painful (I'm autistic and two family members have strong traits before anyone laughs about the pain). I would say the same if it was a man or a woman but in my experience it's much more common from women.

Any loud group can be annoying. If it's positive, happy noise, I'm tolerant, whoever is in the group, or if it's unavoidable like upset children. I can't think of any groups of women annoying me on trains, even when they are drinking prosecco and cackling - only groups laddish men who can come across quite intimidating. I've come across them pretty often on weekend train journeys.

I did say that I respect your opinion 🤷🏻‍♀️
But I've never experienced a restaurant, pub, etc telling customers to be quiet, (if all they are doing is being very noisy).
They don't want to lose business!