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Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask if you work or are a SAHP..

832 replies

DontBeTight · 26/01/2024 15:58

Just that really, those of you who have children under school age. Do you work, or do you stay at home? Or work part time? My youngest won't start school until 2026 so I'm considering giving up work and having the rest of the time full time at home with her as my income makes very little difference to the household.

Those who stay at home, do you enjoy it?

OP posts:
0rangeCrush · 01/02/2024 20:48

BreeBacon · 01/02/2024 20:42

Just copying and pasting my response to a similar comment above.

I didn't say SAHDs were unattractive. I said (I personally) would find that unattractive in my husband. I also said (I personally) think the ROLE is a bit wimpy and not particularly masculine. That doesn't mean ALL SAHDs are ugly wimps overall.

Talk about taking words out of context.

Then you are nothing but a wimpy SAHM?

Or is it only wimpy if you have a penis?

What kind of parenting are you doing if it involves your genitals?

Whatdoy · 01/02/2024 20:49

WithACatLikeTread · 01/02/2024 20:41

Thought it was meant to be a job? 🤔

We have been over that ad infinitum. You can think it’s a job if you like. My opinion is-

TLDR: if by job you mean thing you are paid to do, then being a SAHM/D isn’t a job.

If by job you mean ‘thing I have to do’ then parenting falls into that category.

Why did you quote me when I’ve repeatedly said this? I refer to myself as unemployed in my first post! I’ve talked about not having a job because I hate working. Ffs.

WithACatLikeTread · 01/02/2024 20:49

BreeBacon · 01/02/2024 20:42

Just copying and pasting my response to a similar comment above.

I didn't say SAHDs were unattractive. I said (I personally) would find that unattractive in my husband. I also said (I personally) think the ROLE is a bit wimpy and not particularly masculine. That doesn't mean ALL SAHDs are ugly wimps overall.

Talk about taking words out of context.

Sounds like a bit of back tracking going on here. Why is it wimpy? That attitude is the reason why many fathers struggle to go to baby groups etc.

SouthLondonMum22 · 01/02/2024 20:52

WithACatLikeTread · 01/02/2024 20:49

Sounds like a bit of back tracking going on here. Why is it wimpy? That attitude is the reason why many fathers struggle to go to baby groups etc.

Edited

because ''real men'' financially provide for their families, of course.

LorlieS · 01/02/2024 20:53

@WithACatLikeTread Mine irons (often whilst watching The Sound of Music).
My husband is hot!

BreeBacon · 01/02/2024 20:53

LorlieS · 01/02/2024 20:40

@BreeBacon Because the collective choices we make as women DO affect all of our lives in the long-term.
If nobody makes a stand against the patriarchy and fails to challenge its assumptions, where does that leave us? Worse still is when the patriarchy is further strengthened by women who seemingly support its stance on inequality.

Oh come off it. So the decisions I make in my own life should be based around collectively bringing down the patriarchy, rather than my own happiness. No thanks. Being a SAHM who prefers traditional gender roles has nothing to do with my political opinions or stance over womens rights.

Lets face it, these threads always get hijacked by radical feminists that are just pissed at seeing women happy living their lives in traditional roles. Now YOU can work yourself into the ground for 50 years whilst shaking your fists at 'the man' over perceived injustices or not, if that makes you feel like you've done 'something'.
I'll just enjoy my family and mind my own business.

WithACatLikeTread · 01/02/2024 20:54

Whatdoy · 01/02/2024 20:49

We have been over that ad infinitum. You can think it’s a job if you like. My opinion is-

TLDR: if by job you mean thing you are paid to do, then being a SAHM/D isn’t a job.

If by job you mean ‘thing I have to do’ then parenting falls into that category.

Why did you quote me when I’ve repeatedly said this? I refer to myself as unemployed in my first post! I’ve talked about not having a job because I hate working. Ffs.

I was being sarcastic. Referring to several threads about SAHM insisting it is a full time job.

indigoskies · 01/02/2024 20:55

If you think having a corporate job or whatever makes you a feminist - it does not.

Stop assuming all women wants your life. They don't. It would make them miserable.

Just like you would be utterly miserable as a SAHM, many women would be utterly miserable if forced to be apart from their children.

WithACatLikeTread · 01/02/2024 20:56

LorlieS · 01/02/2024 20:53

@WithACatLikeTread Mine irons (often whilst watching The Sound of Music).
My husband is hot!

Yeah mine irons too. I however avoid it....

0rangeCrush · 01/02/2024 20:57

WithACatLikeTread · 01/02/2024 20:56

Yeah mine irons too. I however avoid it....

You must be masculine.

0rangeCrush · 01/02/2024 20:58

indigoskies · 01/02/2024 20:55

If you think having a corporate job or whatever makes you a feminist - it does not.

Stop assuming all women wants your life. They don't. It would make them miserable.

Just like you would be utterly miserable as a SAHM, many women would be utterly miserable if forced to be apart from their children.

Nobody is saying any of this.

SouthLondonMum22 · 01/02/2024 21:02

BreeBacon · 01/02/2024 20:53

Oh come off it. So the decisions I make in my own life should be based around collectively bringing down the patriarchy, rather than my own happiness. No thanks. Being a SAHM who prefers traditional gender roles has nothing to do with my political opinions or stance over womens rights.

Lets face it, these threads always get hijacked by radical feminists that are just pissed at seeing women happy living their lives in traditional roles. Now YOU can work yourself into the ground for 50 years whilst shaking your fists at 'the man' over perceived injustices or not, if that makes you feel like you've done 'something'.
I'll just enjoy my family and mind my own business.

The only thing that pisses me off is when sexist gender roles are applied to me because I'm a woman which happens all of the time due to the sexist society we live in, especially regarding motherhood.

indigoskies · 01/02/2024 21:02

LorlieS · Today 20:53

@WithACatLikeTread Mine irons (often whilst watching The Sound of Music).
My husband is hot!

Yeah mine irons too. I however avoid it....'

Well done. That'll show the patriarchy.

Whatdoy · 01/02/2024 21:03

WithACatLikeTread · 01/02/2024 20:54

I was being sarcastic. Referring to several threads about SAHM insisting it is a full time job.

As I said, I haven’t read any such threads so I can’t comment further.

BreeBacon · 01/02/2024 21:03

WithACatLikeTread · 01/02/2024 20:44

My husband cooks and cleans. I better tell him to cut his balls off then.

Yes so does mine.....

Oliotya · 01/02/2024 21:04

LorlieS · 01/02/2024 20:40

@BreeBacon Because the collective choices we make as women DO affect all of our lives in the long-term.
If nobody makes a stand against the patriarchy and fails to challenge its assumptions, where does that leave us? Worse still is when the patriarchy is further strengthened by women who seemingly support its stance on inequality.

How exactly is your lifestyle standing up to the patriarchy in any way shape or form?

indigoskies · 01/02/2024 21:06

'The only thing that pisses me off is when sexist gender roles are applied to me because I'm a woman which happens all of the time due to the sexist society we live in, especially regarding motherhood.'

Well I can understand that. But still, it doesn't give you the right to preach about SAHMs. That won't help your cause and you're wasting your energy.

BreeBacon · 01/02/2024 21:06

WithACatLikeTread · 01/02/2024 20:49

Sounds like a bit of back tracking going on here. Why is it wimpy? That attitude is the reason why many fathers struggle to go to baby groups etc.

Edited

No backtracking at all. Just appears some of you are incapable of fully comprehending a comment without either misinterpreting it or taking it out of context entirely.

LorlieS · 01/02/2024 21:07

@SouthLondonMum22 Agreed. The amount of people who assume I'm not "really" married because I'm a Ms (Miss at work) is unbelievable!!
Do you mean "partner" and not "husband", Miss S? No, I don't.

0rangeCrush · 01/02/2024 21:08

BreeBacon · 01/02/2024 21:06

No backtracking at all. Just appears some of you are incapable of fully comprehending a comment without either misinterpreting it or taking it out of context entirely.

”. I find masculinity sexy so the idea of a man who wanted to look after babies all day and lacked ambition for a career would be a huge turn off. I'd find it wimpy.”

You don’t say it’s for your husband - in fact, you specifically say a man

LorlieS · 01/02/2024 21:08

@Oliotya In many, many different ways. One example as above.

SouthLondonMum22 · 01/02/2024 21:09

indigoskies · 01/02/2024 21:06

'The only thing that pisses me off is when sexist gender roles are applied to me because I'm a woman which happens all of the time due to the sexist society we live in, especially regarding motherhood.'

Well I can understand that. But still, it doesn't give you the right to preach about SAHMs. That won't help your cause and you're wasting your energy.

Why am I wasting my energy but your not?

Like it was discussed earlier, everyone will comment here as they see fit. Myself included.

BreeBacon · 01/02/2024 21:10

0rangeCrush · 01/02/2024 20:47

He doesn’t need to, they will naturally shrivel up and fall off over time. And then @BreeBacon wont find him attractive (even if he looks like Idris Elba) which I’m sure will absolutely devastate him to the point of tears.

Well he doesn't need to be deemed attractive by me. HE IS NOT MY HUSBAND.
What part of this are you people missing.

0rangeCrush · 01/02/2024 21:11

LorlieS · 01/02/2024 21:07

@SouthLondonMum22 Agreed. The amount of people who assume I'm not "really" married because I'm a Ms (Miss at work) is unbelievable!!
Do you mean "partner" and not "husband", Miss S? No, I don't.

I get the opposite.

”what’s your husbands name?”
”I don’t have a husband”
”huh? But you have kids?”
“yup”
”are you a single mum”
”nope, I’m going out with their dad”
”are you getting married then?”
”nope, why would I do that?”

cue confusion.

0rangeCrush · 01/02/2024 21:13

BreeBacon · 01/02/2024 21:10

Well he doesn't need to be deemed attractive by me. HE IS NOT MY HUSBAND.
What part of this are you people missing.

Looks like backtracking to me.

You said that men who look after their children are wimpy, unattractive and feminine. I thought you were all about owning your views?