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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask if you work or are a SAHP..

832 replies

DontBeTight · 26/01/2024 15:58

Just that really, those of you who have children under school age. Do you work, or do you stay at home? Or work part time? My youngest won't start school until 2026 so I'm considering giving up work and having the rest of the time full time at home with her as my income makes very little difference to the household.

Those who stay at home, do you enjoy it?

OP posts:
LorlieS · 01/02/2024 18:11

@Whatdoy But you mustn't say they don't have a job?

indigoskies · 01/02/2024 18:13

When I was a SAHM for almost 20 years, I was obviously unemployed, yes. So what?

indigoskies · 01/02/2024 18:15

LorlieS · Today 18:11

@Whatdoy But you mustn't say they don't have a job?

Who?

Needmorelego · 01/02/2024 18:17

"unemployed" is different to "not in paid employment" according to many official forms I have filled in.
"Unemployed" means you are job searching and claiming unemployment benefits etc - so will be on some official statistics somewhere.
"Not in paid employment" means just that.

Whatdoy · 01/02/2024 18:18

LorlieS · 01/02/2024 18:11

@Whatdoy But you mustn't say they don't have a job?

why? We sah parents don’t have a job? In the sense of ‘a job’ generally referring to paid employment (as opposed to ‘unemployment’).

Unless you mean a job to do in general? Everyone has millions of those, whether they have a paid job or not… washing, tax returns, taking the bins out etc

Whatdoy · 01/02/2024 18:20

Needmorelego · 01/02/2024 18:17

"unemployed" is different to "not in paid employment" according to many official forms I have filled in.
"Unemployed" means you are job searching and claiming unemployment benefits etc - so will be on some official statistics somewhere.
"Not in paid employment" means just that.

Edited

That’s true- some things do list ‘unemployed’ as one option and something like ‘home maker’ as a separate one.

It doesn’t matter either way.

LorlieS · 01/02/2024 18:21

@Whatdoy There was a thread on here asking if being a SAHP should be classed as a job? People that said it wasn't were flamed and told they were being disrespectful!

SouthLondonMum22 · 01/02/2024 18:25

indigoskies · 01/02/2024 17:51

'People can be attracted to who and whatever they like but if it is sexist then other people aren't going to ignore that.'

You need to live and let live. Not everyone gravitates to the type of marriage you presumably have. Why would they? Some people may think your marriage is 'sexist'. That's your business.

Then 99% of threads on here wouldn't exist. AIBU is largely about discussing and debating other people's situations/scenarios.

If I put something on here about my marriage and someone disagreed, of course I'd expect someone to respond to it. It's how it works.

Duckingella · 01/02/2024 18:28

As it's only temporary I'm assuming you're DC will be starting school in September 2026.

2.5 years isn't much in the grand scheme of things work wise but priceless for you and your DC.

If you can afford it;do it.

Needmorelego · 01/02/2024 18:30

@Whatdoy it matters in the way of statistics I suppose. If a town has 10 000 residents and 3000 of those are "unemployed" - as in searching for work and on unemployment benefits then it means almost a third of the population is out of work and investment into new industries and businesses are needed.
But if it's actually 500 people "unemployed" and 2500 "not in paid employment" (but financially supported by a spouse, inheritance, lotto win... whatever) then the town is economically doing quite well.
It's all about statistics and economics really.

Whatdoy · 01/02/2024 18:32

LorlieS · 01/02/2024 18:21

@Whatdoy There was a thread on here asking if being a SAHP should be classed as a job? People that said it wasn't were flamed and told they were being disrespectful!

I didn’t see that thread, but ‘job’ has a wide ranging definition, so probably both sides were correct based on the definition they were using.

DryRotter · 01/02/2024 18:32

0rangeCrush · 01/02/2024 16:11

What about a penis makes men unable to cook, clean and look after children?

What about men who have jobs doing things that you define as feminine? Is cooking okay for a man as long as he is getting paid for it? Is it okay for a man to nurture children as a teacher, but not as a father?

If men who are primary caregivers are not masculine; are females who are primary earners masculine?

My partner took voluntary redundancy from his job to allow me to keep working in mine while we had young kids. IMO it takes a pretty masculine man to say, you know what, I’m doing what is right for my family and fuck gender roles. I’d argue it’s a pretty weak man who is too scared of being seen as “feminine” by looking after their children.

I hope your children don’t grow up to be pigeonholed into a role based on their genitals. How sad.

If my daughter or son grew up with those sexist views, I would have failed as a parent.

Whatdoy · 01/02/2024 18:36

Needmorelego · 01/02/2024 18:30

@Whatdoy it matters in the way of statistics I suppose. If a town has 10 000 residents and 3000 of those are "unemployed" - as in searching for work and on unemployment benefits then it means almost a third of the population is out of work and investment into new industries and businesses are needed.
But if it's actually 500 people "unemployed" and 2500 "not in paid employment" (but financially supported by a spouse, inheritance, lotto win... whatever) then the town is economically doing quite well.
It's all about statistics and economics really.

Oh yeah, it matters in that sense, I just mean it doesn’t matter in a grand sense because there isn’t anything wrong with being unemployed and looking for work or unemployed because they don’t need to work.

Being referred to as ‘unemployed’ is not an insult unless you consider people who are looking for work and getting benefits as something to look down on, which they aren’t.

Needmorelego · 01/02/2024 18:43

@Whatdoy I agree. Definitely not something to look down on.
Unemployed
Employed
SAHP
Living off Grandpa's inheritance.
Who really cares? Does it matter? It doesn't.

indigoskies · 01/02/2024 18:53

@SouthLondonMum22 -"Then 99% of threads on here wouldn't exist. AIBU is largely about discussing and debating other people's situations/scenarios. "

Not to this ridiculous extent it isn't.

SouthLondonMum22 · 01/02/2024 19:18

indigoskies · 01/02/2024 18:53

@SouthLondonMum22 -"Then 99% of threads on here wouldn't exist. AIBU is largely about discussing and debating other people's situations/scenarios. "

Not to this ridiculous extent it isn't.

I disagree that it's ridiculous.

BreeBacon · 01/02/2024 19:19

LorlieS · 01/02/2024 18:00

Interesting that @BreeBacon referred to a SAHD as unemployed. Would you refer to yourself as "unemployed" then, @BreeBacon?

Yes of course I am unemployed. I don't have an occupation but I do have many 'jobs/tasks/work' to do in my daily life. Can't imagine why any SAHP would be offended by being called unemployed, it's simply a fact.

indigoskies · 01/02/2024 19:21

Of course it's ridiculous to endlessly pontificate about other people's lives and what matters to them. You have literally no idea.

SouthLondonMum22 · 01/02/2024 19:27

indigoskies · 01/02/2024 19:21

Of course it's ridiculous to endlessly pontificate about other people's lives and what matters to them. You have literally no idea.

If pp has an issue with me, she's perfectly capable of speaking up for herself.

indigoskies · 01/02/2024 19:29

She's probably lost the will to live by now.

BreeBacon · 01/02/2024 19:30

SouthLondonMum22 · 01/02/2024 19:27

If pp has an issue with me, she's perfectly capable of speaking up for herself.

Which I have done. It's not for you to gatekeep how other people take part on a thread.

BreeBacon · 01/02/2024 19:31

indigoskies · 01/02/2024 19:29

She's probably lost the will to live by now.

Getting close 😂

SouthLondonMum22 · 01/02/2024 19:32

BreeBacon · 01/02/2024 19:30

Which I have done. It's not for you to gatekeep how other people take part on a thread.

Well, exactly. You can hold your own just fine and people can comment as they wish on a thread, including myself.

BreeBacon · 01/02/2024 19:46

SouthLondonMum22 · 01/02/2024 19:32

Well, exactly. You can hold your own just fine and people can comment as they wish on a thread, including myself.

Ok so, perhaps don't suggest someone else shouldn't get involved in my support then, when I have been truly ganged up on by different working mums over an opinion. In fact these last few pages pretty much sums up how a lot of working mums think they can dictate how other women should live their lives!

indigoskies · 01/02/2024 19:48

Are you quite young @SouthLondonMum22? By the time you're my age (50) you really won't give a hoot about any of this because tiime flies, life is short, and the most important thing is that people can be honest and authentic as themselves and with their husbands / wives / partners.