To wonder why people aren’t worried about this??

[Mummytotwonow]

https://news.sky.com/story/time-to-think-the-unthinkable-and-consider-uk-conscription-says-britains-former-top-nato-commander-13056148

Sorry if I’ve missed any threads on this.

It’s not just sky news reporting this but for days now in the media this is being raised.

AIBU - to be extremely worried and concerned about this?

Is anyone else not worried?? Are we being prepared ready as “the higher up” know more and the threat is bigger than we’re told.

what age would it be from and to??

l‘m so scared for the world our children are growing up in 😢

My point is hatred means more wars. The same with Russia. How fo we stop hate.

We fight it as with Nazi Germany. Or we give in to it and Russia wins. Hamas wins.

Or we educate and teach another way.

I don't know the answer

I don't know the answer either but engaging brains & educating yoursrlves would help a lot. Our government is despicable our system is imperfect, democracy takes work, but people saying Russia is no worse, and pretending Hamas (or elsewhere, the Houthis) are some sort of freedom fighters is completely deranged. Things go wrong here, people try to cover them up, some people's lives are made a misery but we do just about keep thing functioning & we still have values to appeal to when they go wrong. And our independent judiciary still mostly works. Seriously, go live in Russia if you can't see the difference.

@SharonEllis well said!

Whereas here we have innocent postmasters jailed and driven to suicide for simply doing their job.

Some of us took our rose tinted glasses off a while ago.

Still…..it’s not really comparable is it?

I'm fully aware of that horrific story and I read the news. No illusions about the state of this country under the current government. But to suggest that it's equivalent to living somewhere like Russia or Iran is just silly.

All children are innocent, even the ones who are dripfed lies.

Innocence in this context doesn't mean being ignorant about bad things existing, it means not being to blame for what the adults are doing.

No child is to blame for an adult's poor decisions. That's the kind of "logic" that a grown man would use in court in the 70s to claim that the 14yo girl he's raped was "asking for it".

And the reason why NATO's Captain Mainwaring has been wheeled out to talk to the press about conscription just last week and not a decade ago when Russia first marched into Ukraine is to stop us from registering that the Coalition Government knew about, and signed off on, the Post Office's cover-up.

This "news" of possible conscription, which anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows is always an option if enough shit hits the fan, is being used to bury how the then-Government colluded to cover up the biggest miscarriage of justice in British legal history.

Our armed forces need boosting, as does our navy. People cannot take peace for granted. We need to prepare as soon as possible in my view. Sooner the better. Proper preparation prevents piss poor performance. Train hard, fight easy (easier, never easy).
Some things I fore saw happening in different parts of my life whilst in meditation/creating a 'cinema screen' in my mind's eye and just seeing what came into view:

1. Russian control of gas lines and energy issues (2003 vision)
2. A pandemic (I was looking at a graph and saw 'gaps' - one for a pandemic, one for a new war involving Europe - one has happened - the pandemic. I did not see it being Covid, just a pandemic). (2008 ish looking at a chart of the Spanish Flu epidemic)
3. The Berlin wall coming down (a dream with light coming under 'watchtower walls' getting larger and larger).

These haven't yet happened but are very likely based on my previous 'minds eye' info:

1. China invading Taiwan - it's a beach scene, with dogs and animals playing in the water, a normal beach scene and then it all changes. It's summertime/or sunny.
2. Foul play with fibreoptics/something under the sea. I don't know what this is about exactly but it's about some critical infrastructure.
3. Antimicrobial resistance, fungal infections increasing, people dying in hospitals of 'basic' infections. Hands wringing, people criticised about 'lack of preparedness'. Ministers frantically trying to work out what to do. Increased investment in anti-fungals in a scramble but too late.

We need to:

Increase troop numbers - significantly
Increase Naval ships - significantly
Train citizens - imminently.
Invest in cybersecurity - much more than current funding.
Root out malign players from our Universities and Government at the highest level who 'pay to play' and go under the radar due to 'Diversity, Inclusion and Cultural issues'.

OFFS, this scandal has been going through the courts for years, some MPs have been campaigning for years. It was a tv drama (free press non-state controlled media) that was finally the breakthrough. Our whole society bears responsibility for this but equally its public opnion that is the trigger for change. In an authoritarian state the whole thing would have shut down years ago. Now its a critical election issue & the postmasters/mistresses will finally justice - or at least its up to all of us to ensure they do. Democracy only works with our active participation, it doesnt just miraculosly happen.

Foul play with fibreoptics/something under the sea. I don't know what this is about exactly but it's about some critical infrastructure.

For "some critical infrastructure", how about "the internet"? The bits of the internet on all the different continents of the world are connected together with fibre-optic cables that run along the bottom of the sea. There's plenty of these cables but I still reckon that submarines with robot arms would be used to try to cut them during a global war.

Well then I would add ocean surveillance and extra submarines to the list then.

None of what you said addresses the point.

It happened. As many other injustices have. The Government acts with impunity and is responsible for countless criminal actions. Its delusional to believe we have anything resembling a real democracy.these days.

The government does not act with impunity, you sound like a hysterical teenager. They literally keep being defeated in the courts. They are about to be voted out. If we did not have democracy & a free press we would not see the tories tearing themselves apart day after day & have poll after poll published by mainstream news. I trust you are out on the doorsteps keeping democracy alive?

When Labour get in is democracy restored?

Or are they the same and you have no real democracy no matter who is in power

Yes keep telling that to the bereaved Covid families who have had to endure no one being held accountable for preventable deaths of their loved ones but lots of tories profiteering from their grief.

I can assure you I'm no teenager. I'm simply a realist with a healthy dose of scepticism.

I have never said, or implied that terrible things haven't happened and won't happen in the future. We have to fight all the time to keep them in the public eye to keep the systems functioning, to hold people accountable. Democracy is a live, active process. But I recommend spending some time in a place where it really doesnt function to offer some perspective.

As already stated I've lived in Russia previously although it was quite a few years ago.

It doesn't change the fact that there are desperate starving people in this country for whom life can't get any worse, as was my initial post.

I understand this point of view, however I think if we were being attacked/invaded right now people would feel more patriotic and ready to stand up for the UK. Like Ukrainians did to Russia.
But the situation is, our government is slowly putting us in danger of war and then hinting that citizens will have to fight as cannon fodder. No talk of how to avoid a war in the first place and keep us safe.

I think a large part of why people don't want to fight is because patriotism has hugely waned in recent decades. It's much more common to distrust the government etc, which in some ways isn't surprising.

But it's easy to forget IMO that our wider British values are not something that are shared by the leaders of many countries and were we to fall under the control of a country like Russia or China, for example, I think many would very quickly realise what we had lost and desperately want it back.

Even free speech is not guaranteed. Education/independence for women? No chance. Husband beating you up? Good luck getting the authorities to do anything! This is just the tip of the iceberg.

I think part of the issue is that people don't want to get involved in other countries' conflicts, but forget that our national security is largely dependent on the many other countries that are prepared to stand up and fight alongside us when needed.

Some of us grew up with parents badly affected by World War 2 Some of The Silent Generation are still alive you know. My DM is 88 next month. She was EIGHT when she was working the fields in Italy because my grandfather was in the Italian army.

Oh and while im at it google the Arandora Star. There were Italians who were living here rounded up by Churchill and put on that ship Then it was torpedoed. And some of those Italians had younger relatives who were in the British Army at the time. Their thanks for that was their relatives being killed.

https://www.mariner.ie/the-sinking-of-arandora-star/

During WW2 people were encouraged to grow vegetables at home, now we have plastic grass and paved driveways. Can you imagine trying to convince people who can’t be bothered to mow the grass that they need to start cultivating potatoes

Cant wait to see people do this and then Cadent come along and lay the new gas pipes.

I agree with your first paragraph, but not the second. I don't see that it is our government, whatever its many failings, that is putting us in danger of war. The aggression is coming from elsewhere - most obviously from Putin's Russia, and when you combine that with the Israel crisis, plus the Houthis firing on UK and US ships and random freighters, Iran manipulating things in the background, the situation looks very unstable.
If Trump wins the American election and pulls America out of NATO (would he do that? Nothing Trump did would surprise me) and Putin started pushing further into Eastern Europe, then basically we'd be in the same position as we were in the first years of World War 2. Which was isolated and not good. I think that's why all these military people (in Germany as well as Uk) are suddenly piping up about strengthening defence.

https://youtube.com/shorts/QbYa2i-isMw?si=zwfAf36iX0cZWUj8 - I agree with this caller