To wonder why people aren’t worried about this??

[Mummytotwonow]

https://news.sky.com/story/time-to-think-the-unthinkable-and-consider-uk-conscription-says-britains-former-top-nato-commander-13056148

Sorry if I’ve missed any threads on this.

It’s not just sky news reporting this but for days now in the media this is being raised.

AIBU - to be extremely worried and concerned about this?

Is anyone else not worried?? Are we being prepared ready as “the higher up” know more and the threat is bigger than we’re told.

what age would it be from and to??

l‘m so scared for the world our children are growing up in 😢

It makes me so angry when people say ‘well my child’s not going to fight’ - WHY NOT? What’s so fucking special about your child that they should be exempt from fighting for our country?
The alternative is to just roll over and let the Enemy, whether it be Russia / China or anyone else just waltz in and this country becomes one giant work camp, or at the very least under martial law.

What life do you think your kids will have then eh?

Idiots.

It's because women have a uterus that we have a softer pelvis than men and this does disadvantage us in any super heavy weight bearing tasks over long distances. Think throwing an injured large marine over your shoulder and exiting under shell fire but otherwise women absolutely can be equal to the task. Lots of excellent female snipers on Ukraine frontlines apparently...

As they will be of adult age anyway, I'm wondering why some posters think a note from mummy will excuse them

You are joking, aren't you?

Yasai · Yesterday 22:22

You ask how closely I have been following events in Gaz? Why? Does it equate with the question I asked, about what alternatives people have in mind if conscription is not acceptable?

I sense some hostility in your post when none was invited by mine, so let us debate your meaning.

Did you write this before or after you heard that the UNWRA are connected to Hamas? Did you bear in mind the treatment of women by terrorist groups?

How about why the same crowds of marchers who marched against the treatment of women in Iran are marching in favour of Hamas. Both are financed by Iran. The Palestinian women are being treated just as wickedly as the Iranian and Afghan women are, so why the same marchers?

I think what is most worrying is the speed at which the marchers can be rallied. Never have the calls to prayer been faster than the calls to protest. Perhaps it worries you that those marchers may be called upon to fight for the country they live in - legally or otherwise?

Imagine getting all sneery about mothers saying their kids aren't going to fight. The alternative is "yea ill be dead happy about it"

Stop being fucking dickheads. have the day off.

Nobody is happy about it. They’re just pointing out the obvious that:

1. yes they would be going to fight because it would be mandatory (a concept many cannot get their heads around) and
2. if they didn’t, the alternative would be much worse.

1. No one would be forced to fight. Military prison maybe. I'd be happier with that tbh.

1. An idiot with half a brain cell could see this is a tactic to support more military spend

1. A mother saying her kid isn't going to fight and die is a perfectly fine comment to make whether it's reality or not

1. So anyone sneering at that is just a wanker frankly.

Nobody said it isn’t a ‘fine comment’ just that if this happened (very unlikely) it would be futile. And do you think they would just let everyone sit in a military prison while we get invaded? Like I said the naivety is quite shocking.

Here’s two yougovn survey results posted a couple of days ago
Since recent news article regarding conscription
The first refers to volunteering
Its no surprise most would not volunteer with 7% saying they would
I have no idea how this would equate in actual numbers of 18-40 year olds but I wonder if initially it would plug the gap required by the armed forces

And the desperate need to crow to other posters who are worried this might happen (even though it wont) that they will have no choice but to see their children fight is bordering on sociopathic.

My point is things could easily go nuclear and we’d all be fucked

I’ll spell out the 2 very unlikely scenarios just for those hard of understanding:

1. Britain is under threat. It raises an army (may include conscripts, may not) to go overseas and prevent this threat from reaching Britain. This may or may not be successful. The fighting takes place abroad and if they succeed there will be a Britain to return to, as well as families who have been shielded.
2. Britain’s army is too small and is defeated and conscripts refuse to fight. The original threat is then able to invade Britain, where fighting breaks out in any event, but the public are untrained and have been ‘sitting in a military prison’ for the last year or two. The losses are even heavier than scenario 1, and include women/children/elderly because it takes place on home soil.

Here’s more survey results regarding conscripting women also yougovn

A very low % believe women should not be conscripted

My questions comes very much AFTER we learned of the collective decision by Western governments to suspend UNWRA aid to Gazans facing the worst human suffering on record on the unsubstantiated claims of Israel alone. Less than 24 hours after the ICJ ruling. The allegation is concerning 12 individuals and UNWRA has in excess of 30k+ workers. ALL AID will be suspended - this is incredibly serious.

We are told that the risk comes from Russia primarily. Why did you use Gaza and UNWRA as a reason to support your pro-conscription viewpoint?

I don’t personally believe the intention is to jump straight to conscription: I explained earlier in this discussion that I think they’ll use it to justify substantially increasing the military budget.

It wouldn’t be down to public vote, it would be down to military strategy. No military strategy suggests equal numbers of women on the frontline would be successful in any way. It’s never happened, in any country, ever.

There must be some mistake here.

The UK is a democracy, so its government could never engage in human rights abuses against its own citizens.

I’m fully aware of that
This however shows how the general public view the issue. Which is all I was intending to highlight given MN is also a part of that general public
The Govn will be interested, also, in these sort of surveys in formulating a way forward should they ever need to.
Just as they considered attitudes about lockdowns

I don’t think Yougov polls will determine how the military approach a war, or even feature. After all the polls would indicate the public don’t want war at all.

I assume conscription is more likely when its an invasion on your soil. Or you are the invader. Professional soldiers in Ukraine have said that they have been significantly put at risk by conscripts who are not trained in handling weaponry, battle comms (radios etc) and overall resilience amongst other things. I say all of this to emphasise how last resort conscription is even in the highly unlikely event that war is declared. This brings us back full circle as to why we need to ensure defence spending is increased and our professionals are trained and equipped.

Half of you would probably turn traitor in any case, should we be invaded, in the vain hope that you and your families would be treated a little better in the work camps.
We saw how people liked the idea of snitching during lockdown.
I know I would rather die on my feet trying to free my country rather than grovel in the dirt for whatever scraps are offered.
I KNOW how it feels to have a loved one go to war because I’ve lived it when I also had a six month old baby.
DH, although technically too old for conscription, would be rounded up and shot by an invading army because his name is probably on a list somewhere. The enemy wouldn’t want ex-military in the population, able to mount a resistance, they would be the first to go.

So.
Because I’m in a bit of a maths mood.
Based on the above surveys

With 30% of UK pop ( as of 2021 ) in the 18-40 age bracket
assuming same % in that age bracket now
Taking a pop of 66million
7% would volunteer ( takes account of those who know they would be unfit to fight but of course not those who may be unaware )

The total number of 18-40 yr olds who would volunteer = 1,407,000people
The total number who agree to go to war if conscripted @ 21% = 4,221,000ppl

Based on these numbers ( very basic I know and in the face of war im sure the reality of fighting would lower the %s however ) would the call up be needed

@Justpontificating possibly because like you said many would be ineligible for reasons they’re not aware. They would also be looking to conscript people with useful skills that would mean they would need less training - mechanics, medics, pilots, seafarers etc. Plus I would hazard a guess that a third of people who claim they would volunteer would think twice if it actually happened.

Crackoncrackerjack · Today 08:58

Do they involve Putin’s attempt to subjugate the west ?

Is Putin attempting to subjugate the west? How would he do that? He can control world shipping - world trade - without even firing a pistol. He finances terrorism to do that for him. Look at the map of the Black Sea: the Ukraine is losing control of it's coastline, unless the world wakes up. The Russian Federation controls the Russian coastline, and a whole lot of the Ukraine, and Turkey controls a good bit of it too, and the route into the Mediterranean Sea. The only reason why the Palestinians and those who control them want Israel is to control the south and east coasts of the Med, and particularly the Suez Canal.

Already world shipping trade is compromised, and the cost of goods - including essential goods - will rise: if it isn't already. Putin does not even supply the weapons the Houthis are using to attack shipping in the Red Sea, which last year was blocked. Putin and the Ayatollah whatshisname are in bed together, and with different agendas. Look at the maps of Black Sea, Mediterranean Sea, Suez Canal and Red Sea, and you can add the North Sea to that if Putin invades Scandinavian countries, and Erdogan opposed Sweden for a long time, and still is not happy. Putin and Erdogan got together to allow the Ukraine to export it's grain last year. In the Great War, it was the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand: in this, when the shipping is diverted away from Suez, an attack on Gibraltar will be out Franz Ferdinand moment. and for that we need a navy, marines, airforce and boots on the ground. Have we been keeping our eyes on the coastline from Egypt to the Atlantic? What need of nuclear weapons? Kim Ung has showed the world just how far reaching his rockets are. Is it all to defend itself, or is he showing Putin how far away the Russians need their base to be to shock the world?

All this is financed with crypto currency, which was almost done until 7th October 2023, and suddenly the value has risen.

Especially after
they have exhausted the volunteers
bodies start arriving home

This is not the same as previous wars as we are more likely, as the general public, to see the realities of war in the media.