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To wonder why people aren’t worried about this??

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Mummytotwonow · 25/01/2024 19:28

https://news.sky.com/story/time-to-think-the-unthinkable-and-consider-uk-conscription-says-britains-former-top-nato-commander-13056148

Sorry if I’ve missed any threads on this.

It’s not just sky news reporting this but for days now in the media this is being raised.

AIBU - to be extremely worried and concerned about this?

Is anyone else not worried?? Are we being prepared ready as “the higher up” know more and the threat is bigger than we’re told.

what age would it be from and to??

l‘m so scared for the world our children are growing up in 😢

Time to 'think the unthinkable' and consider UK conscription, says Britain's former top NATO commander

General Sir Richard Sherriff tells Sky News that even if Russia is defeated in the war against Ukraine, it is going to remain determined to rebuild another empire, subjugate Ukraine, and then move on to other ex-Soviet countries, like NATO members. Tha...

https://news.sky.com/story/time-to-think-the-unthinkable-and-consider-uk-conscription-says-britains-former-top-nato-commander-13056148

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DontSetYourselfOnFireToKeepOthersWarm · 26/01/2024 18:00

anonhop · 26/01/2024 17:54

Because if they don't, when Putin/China invades they'll be called up to fight for an even more monstrous cause that cares even less about them.

Dead is dead - at least this way they'd last a little bit longer.

I don't think our lot care any more about young people, they just aren't able to get away with as much as Putin can (yet).

browneyes77 · 26/01/2024 18:01

SmellyKat10 · 25/01/2024 19:46

Could identify as women. That’ll probably work…

As a woman that knows how to fire a gun, I’d be out there fighting if called up.

We wanted equality. We have it.

SootBusters · 26/01/2024 18:01

I think if ( for example) the Chinese attacked us and won. We would have wish we would have joined up, to protect the women and children from all sorts of horrors. I'm not singling out the Chinese but in reality Russia doesn't have the means to attack us in the conventional sense. Leaving only China as a credible threat. For example they now have the world's largest navy and 1 million soliders. My thought is; we owe it to the grand parents and great uncles who fought and died for our freedom, to then throw away our freedom without a fight. We may as well have just surrendered to the Nazis on day one. Obviously, I don't agree with violence and don't want to kill anyone. I've been to China and the people were lovely but we've seen the horrors the Russians have done in the Ukraine, war is awful. However, on that basis I would sign up to defend my family and fight for all of our freedoms. People saying they would conscientiously object, would you rather let terrible things happen to your family? Let's hope it doesn't come to that!

anonhop · 26/01/2024 18:12

gegs73 · 25/01/2024 20:33

For what it’s worth, I think a lot of people would refuse to join if conscripted to fight a war, probably in the hundreds of thousands if not more. Aren’t prisons crumbling and overflowing? Very unlikely they would have the space to be able to put everyone refusing into prison.

I don't think they would refuse if the choice was fight or be conquered by Putin & be forced to fight for him when he sets his sights on somewhere else...

windowframer · 26/01/2024 18:22

SharonEllis · 26/01/2024 17:43

Wow, horrified by war but super horrified that noone thinks we have values worth fighting for. Putin and the Iranians will be pleased!

I have values worth fighting for, they're just not represented by my government.

Putin presides over a nominal democracy with a corrupted electoral system and highly concentrated control of socially divisive propaganda, causing it to function in practice more like a semi-fascist oligarchy.

So pretty much like the UK then.

windowframer · 26/01/2024 18:24

KikiDeeLee · 26/01/2024 17:40

My son (14) told me this morning he is ready to fight 😳. I was speechless. What convos are going on on TicToc that we don't know of and who is trying to influence our kids?

Ready to fight who, for what?

Golden407 · 26/01/2024 18:27

SmellyKat10 · 25/01/2024 19:39

I’d happily skip off to jail before I’d let them take my children. I won’t be alone in that. They can’t jail us all.

I honestly think you'd be amazed at how powerless you would be to stop it. Not that I think its going to happen, it's more likely just political manoeuvring

EasternStandard · 26/01/2024 18:28

windowframer · 26/01/2024 18:22

I have values worth fighting for, they're just not represented by my government.

Putin presides over a nominal democracy with a corrupted electoral system and highly concentrated control of socially divisive propaganda, causing it to function in practice more like a semi-fascist oligarchy.

So pretty much like the UK then.

If Labour get in does this similarity to Russia still apply?

Out of interest

Oldie2 · 26/01/2024 18:37

There are difficult times ahead for the world, as population grows & resources are pressured. This naturally causes paranoia & unrest. I actually heard my previous boss say 'what we need is a war', in response to whether we should Brexit. She was 50 at the time, with 2 teenage daughters. This is somewhat predictable in a country that since 1700 has invaded, had some control over, or fought conflicts in 171 of the world's 193 countries that are currently UN member states, with 107 victories & 24 defeats to its name.
Many Tories want a much 'harder' Brexit than we have now, with some wanting to weaken or dissolve organisations like the UN, OECD, ILO , EU & WTO, that have been designed to foster development, trade & cooperation, & improve the lives of most people. Many Tories & their government support Brexit & a loss of citizen rights, to help enable the changes they want that will preserve the wealth they have quietly built up for themselves post WW2 in times of relative plenty. Preparing for war is handy to bolster the arms industry & hide unemployment caused by Brexit. A stronger army would also be even more handy to help tackle future unrest. The only thing in their way is their current unpopularity, & the election of a Labour government. Introducing an elevated war status might help boost their support, as was seen at the start of the Ukraine conflict, & in The Falklands. It could even be used to avoid an election & help maintain their influence, if we go to war cabinet status. The trouble is, actual war is a destructive force that is randomly very damaging to anyone in its path. However, relatively speaking, for citizens in the USA, most of Russia & the UK, current conflicts are too far away to be of any major real concern. For the US, stirring up conflict far away in Europe & the Middle East is handy for weaking economic competion & grabbing resources to 'Make America Great Again'. For Russia, it is a way of regaining face internally, & also influence in a strategically important part of Ukraine. They have fought over this land with the Poles & others for much of history, & more recently, against anti communist , Nazi supporting White Cossacks. Russians are also paranoid that the US will nuke them off the face of the earth in order to get their vast oil reserves in Siberia, many miles away from the destruction of Russia's population. They have many long range dirty bombs to protect them from this reality, & they are independent & have a low level of debt. Indeed, Moscow in its time has been invaded by the Germans, French, Turks, Mongols, Swedes & Poles. In contrast Russia has never invaded London, Paris, Istanbul, Stockholm or Warsaw. Understandably, the Russians did invade Berlin, to help get rid of Hitler & they had East Berlin, East Germany, Warsaw & Poland handed to them post WW2 as a result. Previous to that Poland had been carved up in an agreement between Germany & Russia. Russia has a history of expanding its border of influence and control in an opportunistic fashion, & in response to agression. Its borders are quite large to handle, so this has been a fluid situation. It is the UK who has been more into total world domination, & part of our success is we have never been stupid enough historically to try to invade Russia. All who have done so have been defeated by its size and climate. As for them invading us...what is actually here for them to want to take & we are far to arsy to take on and fight.

wasdarknowblond · 26/01/2024 18:38

It’s just more f***g media hype. Plus the army trying to get a bigger budget.

usernother · 26/01/2024 18:39

SharonEllis · 26/01/2024 17:43

Wow, horrified by war but super horrified that noone thinks we have values worth fighting for. Putin and the Iranians will be pleased!

I agree. Seems like people would rather live under a communist dictatorship.

NoDought · 26/01/2024 18:39

Of course you are not being unreasonable and I am absolutely shocked that more than 50% have said you are. We are the closest to midnight we have ever been on the doomsday clock, new world order is a manifesting as we speak with Russia/ukraine, Hamas/Israel. Conscription seems a little like shutting the stable door after the horse had bolted but I absolutely agree we should be worried and I’m guessing those who say otherwise maybe don’t read the news and in a way I guess I can’t blame them.

Exmouthlady · 26/01/2024 18:40

Let's at least be grateful to those that did join up, conscript or otherwise, to the WW's.

We live as we do because of those wars. Neither was our war to start with.

So much for standing up for our country.

So, shoot me.

PlumberORTiler · 26/01/2024 18:41

@windowframer.

Posts like this are so... What shall I say? Well an opposition leader is suffering in prison, people are thrown into horrid jail willy nilly with no yard stick of fair treatment etc.
People are regularly thrown out of windows...

Damnloginpopup · 26/01/2024 18:41

Absolutely correct. Stuff is too complex too now. I had an old friend who had been RAF groundcrew during the Battle of Britain. He was invited to look over the new Eurofighter Typhoon (this was 30 or so years ago) and he was so impressed! Said it was like a swiss watch the way it was put together. Then added that he used to river bots of jam tins onto holes in the spitfires to get them back up in the air again for the next raid 😄

Cheesandcrackers · 26/01/2024 18:44

If you are able to fight than you generally won't have to. That's why the Russians never invaded during the Cold War. It's very unlikely they would attack Britain or any Western European country. But saying you will never fight is asking for trouble.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 26/01/2024 18:47

windowframer · 26/01/2024 18:22

I have values worth fighting for, they're just not represented by my government.

Putin presides over a nominal democracy with a corrupted electoral system and highly concentrated control of socially divisive propaganda, causing it to function in practice more like a semi-fascist oligarchy.

So pretty much like the UK then.

You are either very naive, or are posting in bad faith.

Or both.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 26/01/2024 18:50

windowframer · 26/01/2024 18:22

I have values worth fighting for, they're just not represented by my government.

Putin presides over a nominal democracy with a corrupted electoral system and highly concentrated control of socially divisive propaganda, causing it to function in practice more like a semi-fascist oligarchy.

So pretty much like the UK then.

We have gay marriage here. Russia doesn't. That's one respect in which we beat Russia.

If we don't have a democracy, how come we had a Brexit referendum?

NalafromtheLionKing · 26/01/2024 18:52

Truebee · 25/01/2024 19:46

@Vettrianofan plenty of women in the forces these days, I don't think women would escape.

Good point. Perhaps better to identify as a chocolate teapot or something else equally unfit for army purpose.

Personally, I would move somewhere else if this became reality (sorry but my DS’ welfare is more important to me than any war).

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 26/01/2024 18:53

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 26/01/2024 18:50

We have gay marriage here. Russia doesn't. That's one respect in which we beat Russia.

If we don't have a democracy, how come we had a Brexit referendum?

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And we have better windows here.

sheetsoflux · 26/01/2024 18:56

I really, really don't understand the point in threads like this - General conversation and speculation is obviously fine, but people are commenting like this is even a real possibility

We are not going to war! We are safe. Yes times economically might be tough for us sometimes but we are a safe place. Fact.

Nobody wants to invade us. Nobody is going to war. Russia can't spare anyone or anything to fight a NATO country

Truebee · 26/01/2024 19:00

@NalafromtheLionKing your passports get taken away so you'd have to move in advance of it happening.

Runstothewater · 26/01/2024 19:00

This has been coming for quite a while so I'm wondering why people are expressing surprise. Considering our substantial military reduction and what's been going on in Ukraine, Belarus, Moscow, Finland or off the Scottish coastline daily, this issue was just a matter of time.

It's part of the mess which the current Gov have made, sure, and it's entirely on them, but we need to be talking about where this has left us and what needs to happen moving forward.

WinterMorn · 26/01/2024 19:02

Posters like windowframer are just a teeny bit iffy aren’t they?

InTheUpsideDownToday · 26/01/2024 19:04

This was a good post someone wrote on Twitter:
'Post industrial capitalism requires a smaller working class, otherwise they'll become a danger to the elite as poverty increases, war is the traditional way reducing their numbers while distracting them from their real enemies at home.'

Pretty much Orwell's 1984 really

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