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To wonder why people aren’t worried about this??

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Mummytotwonow · 25/01/2024 19:28

https://news.sky.com/story/time-to-think-the-unthinkable-and-consider-uk-conscription-says-britains-former-top-nato-commander-13056148

Sorry if I’ve missed any threads on this.

It’s not just sky news reporting this but for days now in the media this is being raised.

AIBU - to be extremely worried and concerned about this?

Is anyone else not worried?? Are we being prepared ready as “the higher up” know more and the threat is bigger than we’re told.

what age would it be from and to??

l‘m so scared for the world our children are growing up in 😢

Time to 'think the unthinkable' and consider UK conscription, says Britain's former top NATO commander

General Sir Richard Sherriff tells Sky News that even if Russia is defeated in the war against Ukraine, it is going to remain determined to rebuild another empire, subjugate Ukraine, and then move on to other ex-Soviet countries, like NATO members. Tha...

https://news.sky.com/story/time-to-think-the-unthinkable-and-consider-uk-conscription-says-britains-former-top-nato-commander-13056148

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cakeorwine · 25/01/2024 22:11

PixellatedPixie · 25/01/2024 22:09

I have a very close family member involved in defence and he says it would never be a ground war in the way the Ukraine war is because firstly, we are an island so invasion would be via air raids of some sort for which our defence is now very automated and not about troops on the ground or via sea and the same is true for that too.

If transport routes in were blocked, we would end up having to survive on our own raw materials and own home grown food.

Being an island has its advantages and disadvantages

Maray1967 · 25/01/2024 22:11

Sd1960 · 25/01/2024 19:39

Would you have wanted the Nazis ‘takeover’ in the Second World War?

Well said. It seems that some folks would.

My DC will decide for themselves but I am not prepared to be taken over by Putin. I am not prepared to live in a state ruled by fear.

We need much more investment in our defence forces and considerably less wasted on cushy deals for friends of the government.

Western and Central European states need to stand firm against Putin.

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EasternStandard · 25/01/2024 22:11

TheTimeIsNowMaybeNow · 25/01/2024 22:07

If Russia invaded and we all rolled over and let them what do people think would happen to their sons then?

They'd be sent off to the front line fighting which ever country Russia decided to invade next

And if they refused they'd likely be shot

Yes people are missing the brutal reality

WinterMorn · 25/01/2024 22:12

@Maray1967 well said 👏👏👏

Blah12345678999 · 25/01/2024 22:12

But what exactly would we be fighting for and losing/risking our lives for? Why did this threat of war ever happen? Something has gone terribly wrong and it’s not just all down to Putin.

CoatRack · 25/01/2024 22:13

Naptrappedmummy · 25/01/2024 22:07

So they all refuse. What then?

Good news, we live in the modern world. They don't even need to shoot you!
The government can just cancel your bank account if you step out of line. Either your husband and/or son joins up or you all end up on the street forever.

If it were to happen (which it won't), that's how it would happen.

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 25/01/2024 22:14

ballsdeep · 25/01/2024 19:35

You can’t even get someone’s pronouns wrong these days without a huge outcry so I doubt this is going to happen!!

I bet all the transmen would suddenly be female again if it meant they avoided war.

cakeorwine · 25/01/2024 22:14

When your neighbours start disappearing for saying the wrong thing.
When you get sentenced for years in prison for protesting.
When you can't say anything against the Government because you could get executed

At what point would you say "I don't want to live like this" and fight back?

hogmanayhoolie · 25/01/2024 22:15

RadFs · 25/01/2024 21:40

Don’t be fooled by Ukraine pretending to be innocent. I’m no fan of Russia but Zelenskyy is fooling you all.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Well hello. We've been expecting you

forjustnow · 25/01/2024 22:15

😂

cakeorwine · 25/01/2024 22:15

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 25/01/2024 22:14

I bet all the transmen would suddenly be female again if it meant they avoided war.

Why?

Do you think trans people don't give a shit about their country?
Or are you just trying to be "funny" about a minority group?

Theothersideofthefence · 25/01/2024 22:15

@Drosera the aftermath of war, should they survive, would be just as cruel.

Drosera · 25/01/2024 22:16

WinterMorn · 25/01/2024 22:11

Don’t start with the ‘gammons’ nonsense.

Who was it that said "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf"?

I think they were right. Obviously violence is the worst resolution but sometimes it's the only one. Try and preach pacifism to Putin or any of the any number of extremists out there - Al Queda, ISIS, Hamas, etc.

Never gonna happen which is why we need to have a bite as well as a bark.

WinterMorn · 25/01/2024 22:16

Blah12345678999 · 25/01/2024 22:12

But what exactly would we be fighting for and losing/risking our lives for? Why did this threat of war ever happen? Something has gone terribly wrong and it’s not just all down to Putin.

If you honestly don’t know the answer to this, you best pick up a history book pretty quick.

Drosera · 25/01/2024 22:17

Theothersideofthefence · 25/01/2024 22:15

@Drosera the aftermath of war, should they survive, would be just as cruel.

Imagine if the generation fighting the world wars had taken the same view.

Blah12345678999 · 25/01/2024 22:18

cakeorwine · 25/01/2024 22:14

When your neighbours start disappearing for saying the wrong thing.
When you get sentenced for years in prison for protesting.
When you can't say anything against the Government because you could get executed

At what point would you say "I don't want to live like this" and fight back?

So in essence the UK is just as “backward” as all these non western countries we call “backward” for this very reason?

Tuba437 · 25/01/2024 22:18

I think for me it boils down to the fact that if it's sending troops to fight someone else's war then no thanks, but if it's about defending our own land and way of life as it certainly won't be the government or king I'm fighting for then I'd happily take up arms.

Blah12345678999 · 25/01/2024 22:18

WinterMorn · 25/01/2024 22:16

If you honestly don’t know the answer to this, you best pick up a history book pretty quick.

Ok please explain

WinterMorn · 25/01/2024 22:19

@Blah12345678999 you are desperate to pick an argument aren't you?

cakeorwine · 25/01/2024 22:19

Drosera · 25/01/2024 22:17

Imagine if the generation fighting the world wars had taken the same view.

I am not sure about WW1 - I can see WW2 as it was clear about the invasion and the threat posed by Germany but WW1 and the threat of Germany surprises me. Was it about King and Empire glory?

WinterMorn · 25/01/2024 22:20

Blah12345678999 · 25/01/2024 22:18

Ok please explain

I don’t need to explain, you need to educate yourself.

Blah12345678999 · 25/01/2024 22:20

CoatRack · 25/01/2024 22:13

Good news, we live in the modern world. They don't even need to shoot you!
The government can just cancel your bank account if you step out of line. Either your husband and/or son joins up or you all end up on the street forever.

If it were to happen (which it won't), that's how it would happen.

Well then the economy would crumble because no one would be able to spend any money 🤷🏻‍♀️

UnderratedGenius · 25/01/2024 22:20

cerisepanther73 · 25/01/2024 21:56

No chance would i allow my son willing to fight in the name of this country
I would be doing whatever is humanely to discourage him

especially after the Windrush scandal in more recent times ect,

I come from ethnic heritage background

In which case I hope for your son’s sake you have dual nationality with a country you think is worth defending.

Putin doesn’t have much regard for non-white people.

Blah12345678999 · 25/01/2024 22:20

WinterMorn · 25/01/2024 22:20

I don’t need to explain, you need to educate yourself.

🤔

Bigcoatweather · 25/01/2024 22:22

The reason people won’t accept conscription is because unlike the people of WW1 and 2, we have a different perspective and, well, cynicism, thanks to being more aware of world events and the politicians and rich men who cause them.
Unless the enemy are literally on our shores, civilians as soldiers are a liability.
We’re also much more litigious.