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To wonder why people aren’t worried about this??

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Mummytotwonow · 25/01/2024 19:28

https://news.sky.com/story/time-to-think-the-unthinkable-and-consider-uk-conscription-says-britains-former-top-nato-commander-13056148

Sorry if I’ve missed any threads on this.

It’s not just sky news reporting this but for days now in the media this is being raised.

AIBU - to be extremely worried and concerned about this?

Is anyone else not worried?? Are we being prepared ready as “the higher up” know more and the threat is bigger than we’re told.

what age would it be from and to??

l‘m so scared for the world our children are growing up in 😢

Time to 'think the unthinkable' and consider UK conscription, says Britain's former top NATO commander

General Sir Richard Sherriff tells Sky News that even if Russia is defeated in the war against Ukraine, it is going to remain determined to rebuild another empire, subjugate Ukraine, and then move on to other ex-Soviet countries, like NATO members. Tha...

https://news.sky.com/story/time-to-think-the-unthinkable-and-consider-uk-conscription-says-britains-former-top-nato-commander-13056148

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Blah12345678999 · 25/01/2024 21:55

This is what happens when governments do not act in the best interests of their citizens

Willyoujustbequiet · 25/01/2024 21:55

Naptrappedmummy · 25/01/2024 21:48

They wouldn’t be allowed to refuse. Conscription isn’t optional.

What would they do...shoot them?

Of course they can refuse. There could be possible consequences but none of which would be life threatening.

They don't have enough prison places as it is. It's a non starter.

Blah12345678999 · 25/01/2024 21:55

Ireland also kept out of all the world wars and wasn’t attacked.

Needsomebloodyperspective · 25/01/2024 21:56

@Mulhollandmagoo thank you. I had started a thread as she was stockpiling pills in case of world war 3 breaking out we have had a rough couple of weeks. It’s very hard to keep her safe from herself at the moment. I was hoping someone with some military knowledge would be able to give me some helpful facts. Too much googling at work now keeps bringing up ‘nuclear war is next articles’ and I can’t seem to cut through the swathes to find some calm inducing info.

cakeorwine · 25/01/2024 21:56

CoatRack · 25/01/2024 21:53

I'm not particularly interested in defending Russia, but you are terrifically naive if you don't think we have equal amounts of shenanigans in the West as they have in the not-West.

Also, political opposition etc is a glass house within which the UK is really not in a position to be throwing stones...

I don't recall Keir Starmer's plane being forced to land and him being sent to a penal colony.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66408444

Jailed Russian opposition figure Alexei Navalny appears on a screen via a video link from his penal colony during court hearings in Moscow, 22 June 2023

Alexei Navalny: Russian opposition leader's jail term extended to 19 years

The Russian opposition leader is found guilty of further offences in a trial held at a prison colony.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66408444

cerisepanther73 · 25/01/2024 21:56

No chance would i allow my son willing to fight in the name of this country
I would be doing whatever is humanely to discourage him

especially after the Windrush scandal in more recent times ect,

I come from ethnic heritage background

Willyoujustbequiet · 25/01/2024 21:56

Thatladdo · 25/01/2024 21:49

You might not care, your sons would.

No he wouldn't.

cerisepanther73 · 25/01/2024 21:56

Typo omission possible *

cakeorwine · 25/01/2024 21:57

Blah12345678999 · 25/01/2024 21:55

Ireland also kept out of all the world wars and wasn’t attacked.

What do you think would have happened if the UK mainland had been invaded and occupied?

Poorlymumma · 25/01/2024 21:57

The circumstances leading up to this potential war are very different to ww2. It feels like we are being put in danger unnecessarily, hence the anger at thoughts of conscription.

Thatladdo · 25/01/2024 21:57

tiredmama23 · 25/01/2024 21:53

@Thatladdo yes, and? What has that to do with the rant you posted under my comment?

This:

No one wants to be called a coward for the rest of their lives, plus its NOT the mothers choice, thats just laughable.
They would be young men, it would be their choice.
There was a reason women cried as men marched to war and it wasnt because they wanted them to go.

Thats not a rant, silly!
I think your living up to your name and should get some rest.
First part was yours second seperated part was a general comment.

Im sorry you didnt get your own unique reply, HTH 😊

Blah12345678999 · 25/01/2024 21:57

cerisepanther73 · 25/01/2024 21:56

No chance would i allow my son willing to fight in the name of this country
I would be doing whatever is humanely to discourage him

especially after the Windrush scandal in more recent times ect,

I come from ethnic heritage background

Same! And I don’t think UK government has been great towards people linked to my background either!

Justpontificating · 25/01/2024 21:58

If a person is conscripted they either
agree to fight
make a case against fighting

In ww2 the case was heard in court

Some cases ended with people
not having to fight at all
some had non combatant roles but could still be on the front line
and some ( but very few ) were sent to war anyway.

You have a say if you disagree with war, killing etc

Its worth mentioning even members of the armed forces cannot be forced to take up arms.

Blah12345678999 · 25/01/2024 21:58

UK government just always trying to get us minions paying for their battles and ego wars!

Chickpea17 · 25/01/2024 21:59

Willyoujustbeqiuet

Sorry to hear that.

But you only have to see every year on Poppy Day the thousands and thousands veterans and family's come to pay respect.

Goldenbear · 25/01/2024 21:59

Naptrappedmummy · 25/01/2024 21:43

Sorry but I read that twice and still have no idea what you’re on about.

You appear to have some romanticised ideas about war, constant references to what happened in the 2nd WW, lists of jobs that would be exempt, women's role being behind their men, why the big strong men remain focusses on the job to be done, women being a distraction to men on the front line, on the otherhand you have described how you and your DP have had a laugh over their uselessness, which one is it.

pinkstripeycat · 25/01/2024 21:59

They can’t MAKE anyone fight. What are they going to do? Tie people up and drag them kicking and screaming? In previous wars they imprisoned those who refused to go to war and neighbours looked down on those who wouldn’t “support the war effort.”

These days not many of us have pride in our country. The Government take us for all we have and gives nothing back. No one cares if anyone looks down on them and to be honest I’m not sure we are like that as a nation anymore anyway.

They can’t imprison anyone for refusing to fight as the prisons are already full and they don’t imprison actual criminals half the time. If someone said “Fight or go to jail,” I think most of us would chose jail.

If a war came to us I do think we’d all try and defend our land and our homes but why would we go to another country and be slaughtered?

We don’t even have enough equipment to go around. DH went to Iraq in 2003 and they didn’t have the right kit then! They all had to buy their own desert combats from surplus stores and buy their own boots! The gas masks they were given had expiry dates 25 years previous!

There was hardly any food to eat. Our soldiers lived off of US ration packs while the US army actually set up pop up Kentucky and McDonald’s in the Kuwait desert!
Families also had to send out food parcels to keep them fed. They all came back skin and bone and they had to fight like that!

No, it won’t happen unless it comes to us

Willyoujustbequiet · 25/01/2024 21:59

Thatladdo · 25/01/2024 21:51

Absolutely

"It would be men and women and yes their choice. I'd imagine huge numbers would refuse." - conscription isnt optional! 😆

Again....you can't force people to fight.

Look at those shot at dawn in the WW.

It's never going to happen.

tiredmama23 · 25/01/2024 21:59

First part was yours second seperated part was a general comment.

In which case post it separately to a person's specific comment, otherwise it's confusing?

Im sorry you didnt get your own unique reply, HTH

Quoting someone's comment is exactly that - a reply to THEM. If you want to make a more general one, post it separately? HTH. 😊

blubaloo · 25/01/2024 22:00

Like others have said and I said on the recent deleted thread about this, it is an election year so they are trying to stir up the public and make defence spending an election issue for both parties. There are no doubt concerns about the Anti-NATO Trump getting back into power in the US and even a Labour government here. Its all about the money, it always is.

tiredmama23 · 25/01/2024 22:00

Thats not a rant, silly!

🤮 patronising and cringe.

5YearsLeft · 25/01/2024 22:01

I’m surprised at a lot of these comments. I’m not sure if people didn’t read the article, or the other articles that have featured the “head of the British Army,” but what we have is…. A retired man (the general in this article) and a man who WILL be retired in six months (the current head of the Army, so him mentioning conscription is like Rishi Sunak mentioning a bill the Tories are going to pass in 2025 - I think not).

And if you read THIS article, THIS RETIRED MAN WITH NO POWER AT ALL says that they don’t have the budget for the army they need which is why they need a “citizens volunteer army.” That’s not exactly conscription. When you conscript people, you still have to feed them, clothe them, and PAY THEM so their families don’t starve back home. One of my grandfathers joined the Navy at 15, lied about his age, so he could send money home and his mother and sister wouldn't starve.

I have no idea if what this retired general talking about is taking volunteers for three weeks, giving them a rifle, training them on it, and then sending them back to their villages so if an invasion happens, they know which end to point at the enemy - or what. But if he’s complaining they have no money to grow the army now, then they have no money for conscription.

It would take a full scale declaration of war in order to get the apparatus the would need to even run a conscription program. You can’t just wake up one morning and decide to do it.

But it seems equally foolish to me that some commenters are saying they’d rather live under a dictator than die. Really? Don’t you know anyone gay, or disabled, or outspoken? Because there’s no place for any of them in Putin’s Russia. Some of them will die. Living under a dictator means constantly fearing imprisonment and death for stepping out of line or not fitting in. So please don’t spit on everyone you wear a poppy for once a year by saying they should have just stayed home and rolled over.

Willyoujustbequiet · 25/01/2024 22:02

Chickpea17 · 25/01/2024 21:59

Willyoujustbeqiuet

Sorry to hear that.

But you only have to see every year on Poppy Day the thousands and thousands veterans and family's come to pay respect.

Yes. As do I. DC march with their units. I will always honour the sacrifice of previous generations.

Justpontificating · 25/01/2024 22:02

cakeorwine · 25/01/2024 21:57

What do you think would have happened if the UK mainland had been invaded and occupied?

At the time of ww2 most Irish Catholics ( ps my parents are Irish) supported Germany.
Not because they supported the Germans they were just not going to support the British, anything was better than that.

So Ireland wasn’t seen as an enemy by Germany.

Naptrappedmummy · 25/01/2024 22:02

Goldenbear · 25/01/2024 21:59

You appear to have some romanticised ideas about war, constant references to what happened in the 2nd WW, lists of jobs that would be exempt, women's role being behind their men, why the big strong men remain focusses on the job to be done, women being a distraction to men on the front line, on the otherhand you have described how you and your DP have had a laugh over their uselessness, which one is it.

You’ve taken 2 entirely separate trains of thought and are trying to make them at odds with each other, when they’re not.

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