To think he’s choosing to be homeless and it’s right that he doesn’t get a housing association property?

[Casparr]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-68033982

Man works 50hrs a week. At minimum wage that’s 27k and about £1900 take-home each month. He sleeps at friends’ houses or his ex-partner’s, presumably for free. Why can’t he just get a room in a house share (under £600 a month in Glasgow) and save up a deposit for a flat?

@Casparr maybe, unlike you, he aspires not just to have a home, but to live in a society where housing is available to all at fair rates. You seem to have cut your aspirations cloth to fit a terrible reality.

@AngryMoan
Good post, I think ppl like OP just see his salary and don't stop and actually calculate anything, most flats want double or triple a deposit, how do you save that and still live?

Its being knocked down!!!

There are more people who want to be lodgers than lodgings for them.

Even when it wasn't so most landladies/landlords were fussy as they were sharing with the person.

We simply refuse to build enough houses, and every time there's development of any kind, people fall over themselves to object to it for a million different reasons.

We're not a serious country etc.

This 'housing crisis' has been a long time coming and is completely predictable. We should have been building tens of thousands of council homes every year for decades now.

I think Mumsnet is all about expressing views on the lives of strangers we've read about on the internet.

Yes it's in the national news and you may have no idea why it's newsworthy. As an aside, I'd say it's very newsworthy as it's highlighting a very prevalent and serious issue that people up and down the country face every day. However the point of your post wasn't to ask why this was newsworthy, your post was making assertions based off your complete ignorance of the housing situation in Glasgow.

Luckily authors like John Boughton are about to stop you trying to rewrite history

John Boughton (author of Municipal Dreams The Rise and Fall of Council Housing) on the welfarisation of council housing.

//www.insidehousing.co.uk/insight/the-rise-and-fall-of-council-housing-56139

Inthe 1980s, residualisation may have been a partly unintended consequence of housing policies pursued with varying ideological intent

Since 2010, and more so since the return of single-party Conservative government in 2015, we’ve seen something further: welfarisation – ‘a conception of social housing as a very small, highly residualised sector catering only for the very poorest, and those with additional social “vulnerabilities”, on a short-term “ambulance” basis

The more you post the more judgemental you come across as !
not disputing what you’ve found online but …
maybe he pays child maintenance? Maybe he can’t rent because he doesn’t have a deposit; or references, or whatever it is which is needed in the current insane rental market. We just don’t know.

come on OP. Have some empathy.

We need to stop gentrification.

https://southwarknews.co.uk/featured/i-was-evicted-from-the-heygate-and-ended-up-sleeping-rough-in-mcdonalds/

Well all I can say is it’s about to get a million times worse if Starmer gets in as I very much doubt he will pioneer the immigration reforms required. It’s going to go from bad to dire very soon.

Surely the point is that someone working 50hours a week should be able to afford to rent at least a one bed flat but rentals and house prices are so ridiculously high that for many this is impossible. I live in a naice area where lots of houses are currently being built. Barely, if any of this will be affordable housing. Council house waiting lists are 9yrs + here. I honestly don’t know how some people manage.

OK, presuming that the renting situation isn't particularly different to here.
I know a few Landlords of HMOs, they'll let someone view, they'll say they have kids, but the kids won't be staying. Next thing they know, kid is staying at weekends. There are either complaints, or they are aware that a child is there and it's murky with their insurances, or they just feel uncomfortable- and responsible. At that point, they give notice- but the persons joined the council list and it takes months and months, and months! To get them out. So this is probably why he isn't in a HMO.

Privately renting a flat? Yes an option, but he needs fairly good credit, and pass affordability. Then he also needs to seem like the best candidate from the LLs perspective.
LLs might prefer a couple,
LLs might prefer a "professional"
LLs might prefer someone without a child
LLs may just prefer someone who makes 10k more a year.
LLs may prefer someone who's turned up with a 6 month deposit- as has been referenced on MN a few times, people have had to do it because its so tough to get chosen.
In some areas of the country there are up to 50 people showing interest in any private rental that comes up.

There is talk of us having a housing crisis for a reason.

I have no idea what history you think Im re writing. What a bizarre and quite aggressive post.

Not true at all, I‘ve lived independently since I was sixteen. I’ve lived in some dreadful house-shares with some dreadful people, and stay there saving up for a decade until I had enough to buy a tiny one-bed flat. It never crossed my mind to go on a housing list, as a healthy and single young adult.

In my view, housing association and council properties are for those who need them, not those who’d like to pay less rent.

I’d agree with you I own so no real skin in the game but colleagues I work with are single parents working full time getting UC to pay high rental costs. It makes no sense to me for the taxpayer to pay 12k a year to a private landlord for 18 years+ Surely they could build houses/ flats for less and they would have an asset.

Should but the reality is it’s like a rental frenzy in Glasgow and landlords are looking for ridiculous rents and deposits and references and guarantors. I know of a very well off woman who studied a year in Glasgow and nobody would rent to her due to lack of references, so she ended up in halls of residence with people the same age as her grandchildren.

Places advertised are often taken by the time you call to find out about them. The situation in Glasgow is awful.

AS for flat share - the same issues exist.

I’m not saying there aren’t other reasons in his instance but it’s extremely difficult in Glasgow right now trying to find affordable housing.

@soupfiend social housing was council housing back then and was available to anyone who wanted it

The council wouldn't help my niece when she was homeless. She had been in a mother and baby foster placement due to a mental breakdown. Her baby was subsequently taken from her which made her homeless. She was a 20yo young woman, seriously mentally unwell, she'd previously been a LAC herself. According to the council she wasn't vulnerable.

My friend's husband has recently died and they were made homeless by her landlord, luckily she has been put in a homeless hostel. It's one room for her and her 2 DC 16 and 18. If it wasn't for the 16yo being at college they would have been on the streets.

So while I agree there should be secure and safe housing for all, in the current climate there are so many people more in need than him.

50 hours a week at NMW is a lot of hours and a pathetic wage.

That all said, it's his choice and even in Glasgow his options will be limited.

Do you have something against him personally? Is he your ex? If not why do you care?

He doesn't need a 2 bed. He can either have his Dd's bed in his room or he sleeps in the sitting room and she has the bedroom.

Even 'affordable' housing isnt really affordable, the prices are incredible, you pay the mortgage bit, then you pay rent on the rest and then on top of that you pay service charge for the rental bit.

Expensive.