To think there shouldn't be measles outbreaks?

[fatandhappy47]

Surely we shouldn't be having an issue with measles?
Had an email from school (secondary) 'reminding' us to keep kids off with measles, which got me thinking

All my kids band my friends kids of the same age had their MMR (however my youngest did get measles before this)

So why is it an issue in secondary schools of all places? Are people just not vaccinating their kids?

True but to be fair to the US, they don't have measles outbreaks as children have to be vaccinated before starting nursery and school.

The bloody Daily Fail, home of anti vax scaremongering Melanie Phillips, has the utter gall to have a Why Is This Happening headline.
Because tabloid journalism. Yours.

Fair enough

I took "most people" to refer to the whole population, not those under the age of roughly 40.

Yes, I didn't explain what I meant very well - sorry. I'm 43 and only one of my friends had measles and the rest of us were vaccinated (single vaccine). My older cousins had it. One of them was very ill. But yeah, those people in their 20s and 30s who are just starting families now probably won't have seen measles, unless you lived in Swansea during that outbreak.

there will be loads of “private” nurseries associated with churches that won’t abide by that rule

The US does have measles outbreaks sometimes, apparently. People can get exemption for claiming religious reasons (I believe?). Trump has done so much damage with his magical thinking narcissistic crap. His motives have to do with his own interests of course but have the effect of creating swathes of QAnon fools.

Australia is more strict - if you don't get your children vaccinated, you can't get financial welfare support as well as school places.

Exactly, @regenerate

If a person uses the actions of one brothel manager in Vienna as a basis on which to make healthcare decisions for their child, then I think they probably need help.

I remember reading this. It was after I had had measles (and been very ill with it) and was shocked that children got sent to isolation hospitals.

DD was born in 2000 and I remember questioning whether she should have the MMR. However, I spoke to medical professionals rather than googling nonsense on the internet. All the doctors I spoke to advised that she should have it, so she did, with no side effects or after effects.

Sorry but that’s bollocks there is no region of the world that doesn’t have measles outbreaks including the US.

The UK had no measles at all for a few years pre-pandemic. But it's so outrageously contagious that that was never going to last long while tens of millions of people travel in, out and through each year. A few small island states have achieved longer term elimination.

But you're right about the US, it has always had ongoing transmission in religious/"alternative" communities.

But you're right about the US, it has always had ongoing transmission in religious/"alternative" communities.

Correct. And the laws have been progressively tightened to mitigate that, with some positive effects. Immigration is another ongoing source.

https://californiahealthline.org/news/article/states-religious-vaccine-exemption-changes-montana-california/

There are no outbreaks among schoolchildren.

@coffeeaddict77 there is a really big home education movement in the US.

That’s not true either.

and many many “off grid” schools ie off grid in the sense of no gov regulation. Usually linked with religious groups

Same. I was bedridden for a month with measles as a child. Blows my mind that parents think they know enough to decide to deny their children the vaccine.

How can a measles outbreak in secondary school be anything to do with a pandemic just 3 years ago? These kids should have had their MMR vaccinations 10+ years ago. It is the result of people believing that idiot Andrew Wakefield. We celebrated my sisters 59th birthday yesterday. She had measles as a chikd which nearly killed her, and left her with very poor, almost blind, eyesight. I find it hard to accept that children are now at risk of this horrible, preventable illness due to peoples stupidity.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/measles-outbreak-sickened-85-children-declared-ohio/story?id=97443408

Over the course of the outbreak, which began in November 2022 and was seen across several schools and day cares, 80 of the 85 children infected were unvaccinated.

@Fliopen I feel the same. Home ed here too and so fed up with all the nonsense. One of the women in our home ed circle believes dragons live at the bottom of her garden! If you are in the southwest, it would be nice to chat to a sane home-edder. :-)
(Sorry for the derail. It is a shame all home-edders are tarred with the same crazy brush though)

I am in the south west! I'm in Bristol. Feel free to PM. I also know someone who believes in dragons - I wonder if its the same person!

@Lincslady53 it's because during the pandemic, loads of people read crap online and they decided not to have the Covid vaccine. These people extended this view to 'actually let's not have any vaccines at all'.

Fliopen I feel the same. Home ed here too and so fed up with all the nonsense. One of the women in our home ed circle believes dragons live at the bottom of her garden! If you are in the southwest, it would be nice to chat to a sane home-edder. :-)
(Sorry for the derail. It is a shame all home-edders are tarred with the same crazy brush though)

I started a thread about this, fairly recently. I am classed as a home educator because one of my children is not enrolled at school due to her autism. However, she does an equestrian NVQ instead.

I left a Facebook group because someone made a post about vaccinations which loads of people reacted to with an angry face and I can't remember what was said but some of the people on there were nasty and hostile. I decided I could do without it.

Dragons at the bottom of her garden??

Unless the Covid-related conspiracy theories were so powerful that they travelled back in time, they couldn't have a significant effect on secondary school children who should have had their initial two vaccinations in 2014 at the latest.

The BBC article also mentions a spate of under-vaccination in children just entering primary school, but If my maths are correct (tbf I did have to work this out on my fingers) the children who entered school in September 2023 are also too old to have been affected by Covid vaccine conspiracy theories, which didn't become widespread until there was a Covid vaccine did they? I assume that the general interruption of NHS provision in March-June 2020 might have been a problem, and perhaps made it more difficult to overcome the pork gelatine issue.

There is a difference between people who are uncertain as they hear so many things and dedicated anti-vaxxers. The former are reasonable and we have to rely on personal experience and sources we trust for many things if we do not have first hand knowledge or experience. The latter grou are ego-maniacs who think them not being the expert is more important than them being open to learning or accepting that people who work with it know more.
Frankly, the latter group need less patience and more of a shoeing.

I think when people were having a medical procedure just to go down the pub, all bets were off! 🤷‍♀️