To say that just because someone is opposed to " Trans Acceptance Without Exception" it doesn't mean that they are GC or Feminist.

[TooBigForMyBoots]

And it's important to understand the difference?

Some oppose Trans Rights Activism from a Radical Feminist POV. Gender is abstract. A societal construct that can be accepted, rejected or adapted throughout life. Gender is different to biological sex which is scientifically binary and immutable so Gender is not really important and not a stable basis for law.

Some oppose Trans Rights Activism from a Feminist POV. Gender might have a biological component. Fine with gender ideology long as biological women's rights, security and single sex spaces are safe with no encroachment from males.

Some oppose Trans Activism because it goes against their religious beliefs. It does not make them GC or Feminist.

Some oppose it because they believe in stereotypical gender roles. Men should be men and women should be women. This is not GC or Feminist.

Some oppose it because of misogyny. They hate women. They hate men pretending to be women because it debases men. This is not GC or feminist.

Am i being Unreasonable to say that just because someone is opposed to TRA "acceptance without exception", it doesnt mean they are Gender Critical or feminists. And we need to understand the difference.

I'm not doing a typical Labour purity thing. I am not and never have been a Labour voter. I think you might be projecting, as it is you who rages against the left, when many on the left are campaigning and working against the erosion of our rights.

I am also a woman. I can also push back to your arrogance - or is that not allowed in your world?

Your lack of self awareness is breathtaking.

There are some, my husband who is a lifelong Labour voter, being one of them who think that the Labour Party don't really want to be in power.

No one is raging against the left.

We are disappointed that they won't do more on this issue. I'm not sure why you find that so surprising.

Ditto

So why Rage at the Left rather than at the party in power who are responsible? It's illogical from any POV, its especially illogical from a Feminist POV.

Yes I am a feminist.

As I've pointed out, you completely misunderstood my comment, because you went off half cocked at one phrase. I'm not accountable to you and I'm not interested in your weird accusations.

@DrBalenciaga are you actually going to contribute anything more than lazy slurs and uninformed jabs at women on this thread? I thought you were "on our side"?

Too many inconvenient facts!

Have you noticed that some posters have really tried to do that ‘no no! Look only at the now!! Look at this miracle statement issued now! ‘.

They want to narrow the focus to avoid the inconvenient truths.

It would be nice.

I’ve started to be interested in whether people post on other MN threads, or come here only to argue on this one topic.

Of course we’ll never know. It does interest me though.

Are you actually joking? What an unbelievable thing to say. That is gaslighting.

If I dared say anything else you would pounce on it like vultures. I'd like to, but no.

And why do write "... at women on this thread." Aren't we all women here? (Perhaps with the odd man or two.) Why the emphasis on this? Do you want it to seem like I'm attacking women in particular when nothing could be further from the truth?

Have reported the abusive posts?

Can you please post the abuse you have received on this thread?

Do you think that this post above is an example of civility?

If I dared say anything else you would pounce on it like vultures. I'd like to, but no.

"I've been nothing but polite and you're all attacking me!" DARVO.

Far Right agenda, hysterical, bigots, thick, air heads and vultures. @pickledandpuzzled same.

You seem to have "dared" to say quite a lot already in this thread, so not sure where the reticence is coming from now?

I'm glad you posted @DrBalenciaga. Your post about the amplification of voices was really important. Media manipulation is real and its essential that we look at who's being amplified and who is being ignored.

What did you mean when you said Rage against the Left? You know the Left is not a homogeneous group. You know GC Feminists are mostly, if not all, LW. Why direct your anger at them?

Gender critical also often includes (in radical feminism etc) the idea that gender roles are evil and should be deconstructed.

I disagree with supposed trans-ing because it's a sin- explicitly banned in the bible and also not God's design for that person. Also saying someone is a woman when they're male, using their preferred pronouns, is lying and not lying is one of the ten commandments.

I'm not anti- gender, because God created our inate traits of masculinity and femininity.

You don't have to only look at the now. You could look at the last 14 years. Or even the last 7.

@TooBigForMyBoots

I'm glad you posted @DrBalenciaga. Your post about the amplification of voices was really important. Media manipulation is real and its essential that we look at who's being amplified and who is being ignored.

I appreciate that, TooBigForMyBoots.

its essential that we look at who's being amplified and who is being ignored.

Well we do know that the guardian tried very very hard to ignore GC writers to the extent they allowed Suzanne Moore & Harley freeman to be bullied out

And could you tell us who made the changes to the Equality Act? And brought in the GRA?

Why just the past 14 years? Why not the start?

Do you see the point we are all trying to make?

As I said above, the attempted censoring is only ever from one side.

Do you see the point we are all trying to make?

I think we can safely say that's a no.