To say that just because someone is opposed to " Trans Acceptance Without Exception" it doesn't mean that they are GC or Feminist.

[TooBigForMyBoots]

And it's important to understand the difference?

Some oppose Trans Rights Activism from a Radical Feminist POV. Gender is abstract. A societal construct that can be accepted, rejected or adapted throughout life. Gender is different to biological sex which is scientifically binary and immutable so Gender is not really important and not a stable basis for law.

Some oppose Trans Rights Activism from a Feminist POV. Gender might have a biological component. Fine with gender ideology long as biological women's rights, security and single sex spaces are safe with no encroachment from males.

Some oppose Trans Activism because it goes against their religious beliefs. It does not make them GC or Feminist.

Some oppose it because they believe in stereotypical gender roles. Men should be men and women should be women. This is not GC or Feminist.

Some oppose it because of misogyny. They hate women. They hate men pretending to be women because it debases men. This is not GC or feminist.

Am i being Unreasonable to say that just because someone is opposed to TRA "acceptance without exception", it doesnt mean they are Gender Critical or feminists. And we need to understand the difference.

Male socialisation is generally fairly obvious to me, though of course I'm not infallible at guessing posters' sex online. Meh. You'll have to put it down to my "lived experience" of sexist men.

would socialisation come under stereotypes

Yes I imagine so. All of us use stereotypes at some time or another.

I think the key is - do you care about women in prison in regards to any issues other than this one and mention them with the same frequency?

I've worked and volunteered in several prisons. And with ex-offenders afterwards. In more than one country. I assume that means I can have an opinion. Or is there some other reason I'm not allowed?

@MrsTerryPratchett just chipping in to say you are so cool.
(Said with sincerity in a slightly cringe fan girl way)

I'm deeply nerdy but thanks

When someone says "typical male entitlement" about the behaviour of a trans woman, is that lazy stereotypes then?

who told you stereotypes are fake?

They are very real and exist. Much to the detriment of women and men

The stereotypes are real in the sense that people HOLD stereotypes, but stereotypes are not REAL differences, they are perceived differences. That's what I mean by fake differences.

What’s the definition of perceived and real?

Why don’t you just say what you are getting at?

If someone perceives a stereotype then it exists and therefore it is real.

See this is why no one takes people like you seriously

‘I am leaving’
’i am back to act like a child but won’t engage with people’
’I am back to say something that I shouldn’t because I am so cool’
’i am back with a retort a child would come out with when I have done something i shouldn’t’

No idea what you wrote. But maybe try sticking to guidelines then your comments won’t be deleted.

When someone says "typical male entitlement" about the behaviour of a trans woman, is that lazy stereotypes then?

Probably 🤷‍♀️ as I said, it often matches my lived experience of sexism from male people through my life.

I missed your post @ubiquity

I imagine it wasn't anything I would have benefited from reading.

Oh, it was a good one! But glad you didn't see it as it would have been akin to looking in the mirror and I know you can't!

It wasn’t a good one at all…behave 😀😀😀

i am sure you thought it was a good one. Unlikely it actually was.

Why would I have problems looking in a mirror? Do you? Since you argue against women’s rights then can’t even back up what you said?

Or because you behave like a child online?

stereotypes are not REAL differences

Some things are both real differences and perceived stereotypes. It's a stereotype that men talk over women or women don't feel empowered to speak when men are there. This has been backed up by studies.

That's down to male (and female) socialisation. It's not universal but it is something that is frequently perceived both positively and negatively.

Is that you and all the people you can actually debate your point with?

It's always quite telling @Wadermellone

LOL

Good comeback, I'll give you that!

@Dadjoke2, it is clear that you have lied and do not argue in good faith. Other mnetters are the same.

Please take whatever beef you have back to th original thread on FWR or start your own. Women are having a serious conversation about feminism on this one.

The reason women are statistically more likely to be raped by family members than strangers is proximity.

There is nothing to be gained by placing male offenders in proximity with women they don't know and the risks are obvious.

Equal rights for transfolk? Yeah.
Safe spaces for transfolk? Definitely.
Transfolk in women's single sex spaces? No.

@sanluca

I am also now quite amused you assume I don't read and do any critical thinking. I actually can look past the person and engage in the argument. I am not sure you can and are too wary of intimidation by association to actually be able to read and engage in a variety of viewpoints

Sanluca, the 'you' was general, not directed. I don't know you, so it's difficult for me to make any assumptions about your reading habits or critical thinking. This was for everyone. You did, however, state you don't bother to look into the background of the people you are reading/retweeting.

I tend to read widely from a spectrum so I don't exist in a vacuum, so I'm fairly happy where I am - thanks.