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Colleague saying she has ASD/ADHD whenever I mention being ND - how to handle?

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Benchbythesea · 15/01/2024 22:43

First of all, apologies for length of post - trying to provide enough context so it doesn't come across as goady. Also namechanged for this.

Context - I have a colleague who I have quite a lot of interaction with, eg group meetings and discussions. She is junior to me, but I don't manage her - we're on different teams but we work face to face in an open plan office and our teams collaborate a lot.

I've worked alongside them for a while, and for background I would say she's quite 'needy' - always got a drama of some sort that she will share in the office, sounds genuine but perhaps a little bit unaware that other people might also have similar problems but might not be quite as vocal about it. However she's good at her job, well liked, it's not an issue just something I've noticed (eg not to get too drawn in). I'm also aware that she's got an invisible disability and she does seem to seek attention a bit around this too, eg dropping flippant/casual comments about this and behaving like it's no big deal, eg people making small talk about the weekend and she'll say something like 'oh yeah, Saturday wasn't that exciting, spent it having an emergency blood transfusion but y'know....' which can be a bit of a conversation stopper. However I do understand that having an invisible disability is tough and she may be feel the need to remind people of it, it may not even been a conscious thing.

I have ASD. I am open about this at work, partly because I burned out in my last job pre diagnosis, and because I feel it's helpful when managing staff so we understand each other.

Theres been a few times recently when I've mentioned my ASD, eg in the context of finding something difficult, eg travelling for a large conference. I tend to mention things but keep it light, eg laughing about how presenting to a room of two hundred people didn't bother me at all but I'd prepped for days about how to do the small talk at the lunch after. Most people at work are supportive, and I've signposted a couple for support for suspected or diagnosed ND when they've asked me.

Colleague has made a few comments previously about autism being a superpower/we're all on the spectrum etc, which I haven't challenged as I felt it was intended well even if not something I personally agree with.

More recently when it's come up, she's started saying that she's sure she's autistic and has ADHD. She's not seeking a diagnosis, but she's 'sure'. If I've mentioned an example she tends to respond 'oh yeah me too... And goes on to 'trump' it by adding in an ADHD example (eg something like 'oh god yeah small talk, and that's even if I turn up on time because of my adhd')

Now... I respect that a lot of people are ND and don't seek diagnosis for many reasons. I get that masking is a big deal. I don't 'own' being autistic. I aim to create an environment where people feel confident in sharing their differences. But I just can't help feel that she's doing this to compete/bring attention back to her?

One reason why this bothers me I think - is ASD being a social and communication issue primarily - is it's bloody hard. And this colleague happens to be brilliant (genuinely) at many things which I just struggle to believe could be masked ASD. For example - excellent at networking, already made a name for herself in the company with very senior management due to this, despite being quite junior. Great at banter, very popular, loads of friends. Very active social life, has travelled the world, worked abroad etc etc. And I know there are people with ASD who have done all those things, but it just doesn't feel like she has any struggles re social/communication skills, quite the opposite. And re ADHD - the examples she brings up - being energetic, bored easily etc - really seem to be every day examples. Like being bored in a long, dull meeting. She's organised in work, rarely late, great memory, no issues with multiple tasks, finishes things she starts, plans well etc.

I've tried to just ignore it so far, and where I can avoid any reference to ASD around her, but she's mentioning it more and more. I'm worried that if I say nothing that at some point I'll snap and say something I shouldn't (I can be a bit too direct if my mask slips!) But then I've no right to challenge her if she's sure/she believes she's neurodiverse. Any advice on how to handle this?

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Benchbythesea · 15/01/2024 23:52

@Livelovebehappy not sure how you think you're winning by advertising that you don't give a shit about other people. Fortunately I work somewhere where people generally care about each other.

We deal with some very difficult/upsetting situations in my profession and have to look out for each other, including emotionally. Knowing each others strengths and weaknesses and what we can/can't deal with is necessary. It would be dangerous not to. But by all means continue to think that we're just self absorbed. Hopefully you won't need our services one day given you're so much better than us!

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HeidiIeigh · 15/01/2024 23:56

No I don't think I misunderstood. Her making a comment saying about what she had to get done at the weekend when people are literally talking about what they done at the weekend is fine. I mean, that is what she done at the weekend isn't it?

WriterOfWrongs · 15/01/2024 23:59

Tbh, it gets so tiresome these days when in an office environment where there’s a competition going on between so many people about who presents with the most classic ADHD/autism characteristics.

And in the OP’s case, she’d ‘win’ because she has a diagnosis and the other woman does not. Whether people like it or not, the OP has a legal right to accommodations for neurodiverse disability that the other woman doesn’t have. So it is relevant for the OP’s colleagues to know why she needs certain things or communicated with in a certain way.

And as I said above but no one else had mentioned, as someone with ADHD I would not want someone undiagnosed at work telling me it’s a superpower. I think it’s (even more) offensive saying it about Autism. I know many adults with ADHD/autism/AuDHD that feel exactly the same way.

Benchbythesea · 15/01/2024 23:59

@ColleenDonaghy I take your point although I don't actually think she's making light of it when she says things, she'll say it flippantly but seriously, if you see what I mean? She's not smiling or saying its fine, she'll mention it, trail off, and get lots of understandably concerned people asking if she's ok, then she'll be dismissive and says it's just what she lives with and then the conversation will move on, and she'll do the same a few hours later. As I said it's just something I've noticed and thought it might be relevant to the rest of it.

I will do my best to try not to think about it. I did make her aware of the employee benefit re assessment in case she didn't know, which is why I know she's not interested in assessment. I've made her aware of other resources as we have a few things through the company which are available whether formally diagnosed or not.

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EmilyTjP · 16/01/2024 00:01

Livelovebehappy · 15/01/2024 23:48

Tbh, it gets so tiresome these days when in an office environment where there’s a competition going on between so many people about who presents with the most classic ADHD/autism characteristics. It seems there are more people with it than without. Agree with a poster up thread - work colleagues just aren’t interested in it. Also at the school gates - every other parent thinks their child has ADHD and is on a waiting list for assessment.

Definitely this. It’s like competitive health problems in my workplace. I don’t know why people don’t want to just be healthy anymore!
Sorry OP but it does sound like you want to own Autism.

Glitterbaby17 · 16/01/2024 00:02

I will bite - I have ASD. To those who know me less well I probably seem good at networking. I’ve made a study of trying to say and behave the right way since I was a small child who couldn’t understand why I seemed different to everyone else. In reality sometimes I won’t sleep for 3 nights because I’m anxious about a team meeting or social and saying the right thing. Those that know me well describe me as having ‘foot in mouth’ disease as I frequently just say the wrong thing - but when I’m relaxed and not masking - less at work.

I often overshare or joke about things that are actually quite traumatic as a way of minimising and because sometimes I take questions on what I did literally.

everyone is different - what you say re your colleagues poor reading of social cues or need to dominate conversation suggest to me she might well be ND.

WriterOfWrongs · 16/01/2024 00:02

HeidiIeigh · 15/01/2024 23:56

No I don't think I misunderstood. Her making a comment saying about what she had to get done at the weekend when people are literally talking about what they done at the weekend is fine. I mean, that is what she done at the weekend isn't it?

I agree. The timing of when she says it may ignore you OP, but she has a right to say it and her physical hidden disability is relevant.

CharlotteBog · 16/01/2024 00:04

laughing about how presenting to a room of two hundred people didn't bother me at all but I'd prepped for days about how to do the small talk at the lunch after.

I think this is a very common feeling for both NT and ND people.

Benchbythesea · 16/01/2024 00:10

@EmilyTjP what gives you the impression I don't want to be healthy? (Unless of course that's not what you meant and you're just presenting your own bias)

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easilydistracted1 · 16/01/2024 00:14

Tbh some of the things that you describe as unusual or worrying behaviours are quite classical adhd. As is the ability to charm in an initial meeting and network with more senior people due to not getting hierarchies/ social boundaries. I think the main problem is she causes a personal reaction in you that isn't professional as you don't say the same thing about your other subordinates with adhd/ autism and none of us know shes neurodiverse or not as she hasnt been asessed.

So maybe there is a happy medium about sharing around neurodiverse eg within your general team 121 unless there's a specific reason. Also we know from the post quite a lot of personal things going between the different comments you made. If she read the post she'd probably recognise herself. So I'd suggest an edit.

Benchbythesea · 16/01/2024 00:16

@CharlotteBog human experiences will be shared across people who are ND and NT, disabled and non disabled. The difference is the severity and impact on daily living and functioning.

I don't like walking up hills. I wouldn't think it's ok to say to someone who has a mobility issue 'oh no one likes walking up hills'.

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FancyJapflack · 16/01/2024 00:21

She’s an Elevenerife by the sounds of it.

Benchbythesea · 16/01/2024 00:30

@easilydistracted1 I take your point though I have changed some details without misrepresenting for that reason.

I have already explained why I need other people to know about aspects of my autism in order to be able to do the work we do. I have to collaborate with a large number of people and I can't ignore it without issues cropping up.

@Glitterbaby17 I wouldn't have thought she has poor reading of social cues, though I'll keep that in mind as I appreciate I could be wrong on that. As I've mentioned she seems very, very skilled socially. She does share a lot of personal information but she seems aware of it rather than accidental oversharing. She is younger and I'd say not dissimilar to others in her age group (eg the trend to share a lot on social media). I mentioned it as I knew otherwise id get lots of questions about how I know these things! I haven't quizzed her or anything.

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Reugny · 16/01/2024 00:36

OP you have to collaborate with her but you know she thrives on upmanship.

So you when you are talking to, writing to or dealing with her in any way, particularly as she is more junior, do not mention your ASD.

QueenCarrot · 16/01/2024 00:39

So when you talk about being ND at work it’s helpful, but when she does it it’s attention seeking and she’s probably making it up? Alrighty then..

Dazedandcovidconfused · 16/01/2024 00:55

OP she has really gotten under your skin, you sound like you resent her. You need to take the emotion out of this and get a little more perspective on this. Does it really matter if she has self diagnosed as ND and you don’t agree? she may or may not be, who cares, unless this issue is affecting her work or yours. Just smile and nod, don’t get so invested, and maybe lead by example in slightly less personal sharing in the office.

user73 · 16/01/2024 00:56

I don't like walking up hills. I wouldn't think it's ok to say to someone who has a mobility issue 'oh no one likes walking up hills'.

that isn’t the situation here. This is one person with a mobility issue saying they struggle to walk up hills and another person who also has a mobility issue saying “me too”

You don’t have to believe her. You are not her doctor. It matters not one bit whether you believe her or not. We all present differently and none of us are the only gay in the village.

MadamVastra · 16/01/2024 01:01

Stop with all the over sharing

HeidiIeigh · 16/01/2024 01:06

I don't like walking up hills. I wouldn't think it's ok to say to someone who has a mobility issue 'oh no one likes walking up hills'

Yeah that's definitely not what's happening here. What's happening here is "I don't like walking up hills"...."no me neither I struggle too". But you just don't seem to be able to take that on board.

QueenCamilla · 16/01/2024 01:09

The more you write about your colleague OP, the more it sounds to me like she does have ADHD.

TempestTost · 16/01/2024 01:17

CharlotteBog · 16/01/2024 00:04

laughing about how presenting to a room of two hundred people didn't bother me at all but I'd prepped for days about how to do the small talk at the lunch after.

I think this is a very common feeling for both NT and ND people.

Yup, I suspect it's more common than the other way around.

QueenBitch666 · 16/01/2024 01:59

HellonHeels · 15/01/2024 23:40

You all seem to spend a lot of time talking about yourselves at work. Maybe just get on with the job for a bit?

Got to agree Grin

QueenBitch666 · 16/01/2024 02:01

MadamVastra · 16/01/2024 01:01

Stop with all the over sharing

Yep. And just crack on with your jobs

RobertaFirmino · 16/01/2024 02:28

It might be helpful to find a way to simply deal with it and not let it bother you. Many, many people 'think' they have some type of neurodiversity but have never discussed it with a specialist. Like those who claim they have OCD because they arrange books by the spine colour. You've already met one, I can guarantee you'll meet others. Perhaps make things easier for future you by considering coping strategies.

BobbyBiscuits · 16/01/2024 02:45

I feel like there isn't much need for people to talk about their disabilities at work. I never had time to in 20 odd years! And the sad fact is nobody really cares about others, they want to talk about themselves, especially with people they're not friends with. Can you signpost her to some place where she could get diagnosed, or have counselling about it, then just avoid the subject entirely?

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