Anyone else see the BBC news report *MNHQ amending title to warn of graphic content*

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BBC reported a trial of men who had cut off body parts of other men.

One gave consent to having his penis and testicles cut off. Another his nipple and yet another his leg.

AIBU to wonder who is standing next to you in a queue in the post office?

In addition to the above information about this guy being a trans activist, there is more about castration.

The World Professional Association of Transgender Health, (WPATH) is a lobby group for trans health. It produces “standards of care” every few years or so which is often held up as the standard for treatment.

In December 2022 it released its Standards of Care version 8, which is commonly referred to by children’s gender clinics as being the “go to” document to guide the treatment of children. This new version has a chapter titled “Eunuch Identity” in which being a eunuch, someone who wishes to be castrated, is deemed a valid gender identity and describes how to best treat this group with “affirmative medical care”: castration, in other words.

This chapter was written in conjunction with a man who hosts a private forum on a website called the Eunuch Archives. In the private forum men discuss their child sex abuse fantasies 😡.

So whenever you read that “gender affirming care” for children is “evidenced based” (it isn’t) and people quote WPATH as their reliable source, remember that WPATH is an organisation that colluded with child sex abuse fetishists to produce their so called “Standards of Care” with people like the man described in the OP’s news article.

https://reduxx.info/top-trans-medical-association-collaborated-with-castration-child-abuse-fetishists/

Same. It’s so depressing.

You are very naive if you think men are the only ones who are sickos.

There are obviously further issues surrounding unlicensed amputation (eg risk of death, cheating money, etc) but interestingly, regarding licensed surgeons, there was an NHS case about this.

An NHS surgeon was cutting off the limbs of people with this disorder (the one where you fantasise about being an amputee and hate your limb – which I do believe is a real disorder in men and women, because come on, it's mental), because otherwise they might do it to themselves in a dangerous way.

I've read cases about such dangerous/desperate means as well, again in both men and women! It's not always sexual btw. In the article itself he mentions a woman who had persuaded her friends to shoot off her limb with a gun.

Anyway he was made to put a stop to it. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2000/feb/01/futureofthenhs.health

I've now Googled this and wish I hadn't. What is WRONG with people? I feel sick.

I can't believe you got "not all men"-d by your THERAPIST! 🙄

Ditto. The story of the German guy upthread is also sickening 🤮

I can now share my favourite fact- that the previous case was called 'Operation Spanner' by the police as apparently 'it made your nuts tighten' 😄

Ahhhh... I assumed it was because saying someone is an absolute spanner was slang for being absolutely stupid, therefor Operation Spanner = Operation Beyond Stupid. I think I like yours better 😂

Susie Green, founder of Mermaids, took her child to Thailand for such surgery for their 16th birthday.

OK, not legal to do now, and 15 / 16 isn’t a ‘young child’ but laws are made against things that actually happen.

Sadly nothing in the behaviour of men surprises me at all.

There is an undercurrent of violence in all of them, yes that's what I said, the vast majority however are able to contain it and live very good lives.

Think of road rage, street violence, sexual violence, wars, you name it. Most of it is male orientated.

This has become a man bashing thread based on the outlandish behaviour of a couple of outliers. Weird…..

Both men and women pay a LOT to see real time streamed 'snuff' movies.

@JanglingJack These are mostly a myth/moral panic. Don't think they've ever found one. There's not a market for it.

It's where you draw a line on what is acceptable to do to yourself as "body modification", and that varies between different societies and cultural norms.

What about circumcision. Considered perfectly normal and routine in some cultures, and abusive in others.

What about tattoos - it's a painful process of permanently altering your body. Without consent, tattooing is GBH or wounding, as the skin is pierced and you bleed.

What about more "extreme" modifications such as tongue-splitting, or implanting objects under your skin to look like horns or ridges.

What about cosmetic surgery. Why is it socially acceptable to pay ££££ for someone to re-shape your face, to break and re-set bones to stretch out your limbs and become taller, to put silicone implants in your breasts. But it's not acceptable to pay someone to cut your nipple off?

Very interesting points. I feel it's very clear in my mind where the line is, but of course that is just my opinion and hard to get a consensus. I'd hate to be the one wording the legislation and guidance on this.

The pay to view made £200,000 . What does that tell you !

'The guy that did the cutting kept the bits in jars horrific.'

You'd need a massive jar for the leg

It is an interesting topic, or at least I think it is.

To reduce it to it's simplest, the law constantly has to balance the rights of people to do what they want with the rights of said people and others not to be harmed unduly by those actions. To take two extremes at either end of the spectrum of this: you can play music loudly on a bus and it'll annoy others and legally that's ok, but you can't kill people you don't like, for hopefully obvious reasons. You can legally agree to go skydiving but you can't consent to being killed.

As you say, I wouldn't want to be the one having to draft the legislation.

Why is it socially acceptable to pay ££££ for someone to re-shape your face, to break and re-set bones to stretch out your limbs and become taller, to put silicone implants in your breasts. But it's not acceptable to pay someone to cut your nipple off?

Anything that's about sex (or at least, non-vanilla sex) is still a bit taboo when it comes to extreme kinks like cutting parts of the body for immediate sexual gratification etc. And so it should be.

I mean, people have labiaplasties or attempts at penile enlargement etc but that doesn't seem the same. They are a means to an end rather than for an immediate sexual thrill.

I have paid several hundreds of pounds to a woman to painfully inject ink into my leg and leave a permanent "scar", in effect. And I posted about it online and got compliments!

Up to a point I wonder if part of the issue is with the more extreme modifications is it's okay if you pay a licenced medical professional to do it, and it's not if you get some rando doing it. Doctors have to follow professional standards, and shouldn't carry out "unnecessary" invasive medical procedures. But how do you explain breast augmentation for someone who wants to go up a few cup sizes or get more modelling work? Or a 5'6'' bloke paying to have his legs broken and be stretched out to 5'9''? That's not a medical short stature, that's just wanting to be a bit taller.

What if I just want to have someone cut my little finger off. It's not a big deal. If someone's willing to do it, in safe sanitary conditions, why not.

pretty much anything that pervy men want us to, it would seem

OK, young men. And maybe not young boys here. But young boys elsewhere, where their governements have not pushed back on transitioning and medical pathways for children. Plenty of 'young girls' getting their breasts lopped off in the USA.
Certainly before the age that their brain is fully developed though. And certainly not without thorough investigations as to WHY they are presenting to the clinics, due to psychological assessment and therapy being classed as conversion therapy.
Lots of young men with children's genitals too, due to the hormones. Even ONE guy having the castration / paedophile crossover is one to many - but it seems plenty approved his activism, and plenty paid to watch.

Eunuchs as a 'gender' are supported by WPATH and that is who the Scottish government base their guidance on when it comes to treating 'trans' identifying young people/children.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/nhs-apologises-for-claiming-eunuch-is-a-gender-identity/

If you think this is insane, you'd be correct. But this is where we are in 2024.

Scottish girls, under 18 years old, are sent to England for mastectomies.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/scottish-doctors-approved-breast-removal-for-51-trans-teenagers-qvkmz8r2c

Leg removal. This Scottish doctor carried it out in an NHS hospital (patients were private).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/625680.stm