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To ask you to ‘Destroy without reading’? (Bereavement related)

353 replies

Izzy24 · 13/01/2024 10:01

Would you?

So if you were coping with clearing personal belongings and you came across a package marked as above, would you respect that person’s privacy and dispose of it without reading? Even if it was unsealed?

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Str8talkin · 13/01/2024 12:51

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Klcak · 13/01/2024 12:53

sammylady37 · 13/01/2024 11:07

Can people really not figure out why someone might not have destroyed things while they were alive? Sudden death, incapacitating illness meaning they were incapable of doing so, and it’s reasonable for them to have held onto things for a good portion of their life, in the hope/expectation that they’ll get the opportunity to destroy them later.

I’m in my 40s, I hope to have a good few decades of life yet and in those decades I’d like to have the pleasure of re-reading old love letters from a now-deceased lover, looking back on photos etc, so I’m not going to destroy them now, and I hope that I will have the opportunity to do so as a much older woman. But if I don’t, I hope that those who survive me have enough integrity to respect my privacy.

Just label it old love letters, private, please destroy.

the label telling you what it is heavily influences the persons decision

I wouldn’t read love letters. I would read something unspecified.

Ivyy · 13/01/2024 12:53

Peteryourhorseishere · 13/01/2024 10:08

Yes, and I did do With my dads stuff.

He’s not dead yet, but dementia, so he will never look at his stuff again, he couldn’t even tell you what year it is and just stares ahead.

Cleaned out his house when he went into a home. there was a box marked that and it contained some diaries (it wasn’t sealed, the lid was half torn. He also had a box full of diaries, he kept them religiously for years.

Chucked them all away, I had no desire to read his private items when his privacy and dignity is being stripped away daily in he home anyway.

What scares me is the box he’s got for after his death with a DVD marked “to be watched when I die”. I don’t even have a fucking dvd player and I know it will be filled with guilt trips (he was that sort of person), how to invest his money and how lucky I am to have it (he held his money over me his whole life and now all been eaten up by care home fees), I’ve got enough guilt that he ended up in a home. So that will be a fun day!

@Peteryourhorseishere this sounds very much like my dm, I'll be amazed if she doesn't leave me a letter or something to read when she's gone, having the last word and control from beyond the grave. I wouldn't read it as I know exactly how her mind works and the contents would only be upsetting.
Unless in your df's case it could be some kind of apology / regret? Sadly I know this wouldn't happen with dm and I'd dispose without reading or watching if it was a video.
Curious, did your df behaviour towards you get worse when he developed dementia? Dm is in her 80's and showing more and more signs, she's being more toxic than ever too and I wonder if it's linked.

To the op, I honestly don't know what I'd do in that situation if it was my dad, I'd possibly ask my dh to quickly scan and tell me whether it's something I should know or not. Problem is if it was something dodgy I wouldn't want him to then have to carry that knowledge. Also I'd be suspicious that if it's something he didn't want anyone to see that it likely is something I could do without seeing.

ToHellBackAndBeyond · 13/01/2024 12:54

I'm nosy so would read.
However. A relative died, a not nice one who ruined a lot of lives along the way. I read their diaries and found out exactly what they thought of several people including my own family and me. I'd defended this person for years.
It was a huge smack in the face but they're dead and gone now, and I'm not sorry.

SheFliesLikeABirdInTheSky · 13/01/2024 12:55

Klcak · 13/01/2024 12:53

Just label it old love letters, private, please destroy.

the label telling you what it is heavily influences the persons decision

I wouldn’t read love letters. I would read something unspecified.

I re-iterate. WHY did the person that wrote said letters and documents that were never to be read again, not just destroy them themselves?! How ridiculous. Sounds like some kind of bizarre attention-seeking to me.

melj1213 · 13/01/2024 12:57

If it just had a "Destroy without reading" message then I would ignore it and check the contents because there could be something important in there.

It would just be a skim through to see if it's all just personal letters or if there are official letters/documents too etc and then once I'd determined the contents that would make the decision as to what to do with the items and whether to look at them more closely.

If it had a specific instructions like "Destroy without reading - diaries from teenage me" then again I'd probably open the package to make sure that it only contained the diaries but then I'd just destroy them as requested without reading them.

Str8talkin · 13/01/2024 12:58

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Fink · 13/01/2024 13:03

Sunflower8848 · 13/01/2024 10:18

I would have a quick glance to see the general sort of thing, if it was diaries I’d prob not read, but if it was information about me eg birth certificate that discovered I was adopted I would deffo want to find out!

Same. I would look in the envelope to see what sort of thing it was. If it were clearly just personal info (diary or similar) then I wouldn't read, if it were something that looked legal/ official, I would read it to make sure it was nothing important.

It would also depend on who the person was in relation to me and what the relationship had been like. And whether there were some obvious reason why they wouldn't have been able to destroy their own things before death.

midnightfeastfeats · 13/01/2024 13:06

@SheFliesLikeABirdInTheSky
WHY did the person that wrote said letters and documents that were never to be read again, not just destroy them themselves?!

Read TF Thread!!

Lots of reasons have been given. People keep them for their own sentimental reasons and dont want to destroy them when they are alive because they want them. Death is unpredictable.

SheFliesLikeABirdInTheSky · 13/01/2024 13:06

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It's really not that difficult to understand that someone WILL read it if you leave it in the attic with 'DO NOT READ' on it. FGS. 🙄

Sure - don't destroy your precious personal letters, but don't demand that no-one ever reads them when you're gone. Coz it ain't gonna happen.

FancyJapflack · 13/01/2024 13:08

No. Curiosity would get the better of me I’m afraid and it’s not going to bother the dead person.

TonTonMacoute · 13/01/2024 13:08

Leaving something like that is a deliberately provocative act by the deceased. I would read it.

Plsdiscuss · 13/01/2024 13:08

I'd probably skim, then read if it looked interesting. Just being honest.

I have a sealed letter with my will at the solicitors labelled "only to be opened if XH contests this will" It's for my children to read about their dad to help them understand my exact will wishes. Thankful a solicitor will have control over this, not them.

Love51 · 13/01/2024 13:09

@NeedToChangeName I thought @Peteryourhorseishere had a dvd.
But what if it was a box and contained a vibrator? I wouldn't have to use it! If I thought it was items rather than dvds I might use washing up gloves! It wouldn't be something I'd mind doing for an acquaintance. It might upset me to do it for my husband and definitely for a parent.

SheFliesLikeABirdInTheSky · 13/01/2024 13:10

TonTonMacoute · 13/01/2024 13:08

Leaving something like that is a deliberately provocative act by the deceased. I would read it.

Exactly this. Provocative and attention-seeking, to keep something, and say DO NOT READ. Wink Of course people are going to read it. 😆

Coyoacan · 13/01/2024 13:10

As a historian, I think I prefer the idea of diaries being kept for a future when no-one who personally knows the writer can read them.

But personally I throw away my diaries many years ago because I had just used to write in when I was unhappy, so they just read like I had been constantly unhappy and I didn't want to give that false impression to my descendents.

Plsdiscuss · 13/01/2024 13:11

Finding, and then having to bin, my 70 yr old mum's sex drawer was one of the things I wish on no grieving person @Love51

I suspect I'm not alone in having to do this awful job.

Izzy24 · 13/01/2024 13:11

sammylady37 · 13/01/2024 11:07

Can people really not figure out why someone might not have destroyed things while they were alive? Sudden death, incapacitating illness meaning they were incapable of doing so, and it’s reasonable for them to have held onto things for a good portion of their life, in the hope/expectation that they’ll get the opportunity to destroy them later.

I’m in my 40s, I hope to have a good few decades of life yet and in those decades I’d like to have the pleasure of re-reading old love letters from a now-deceased lover, looking back on photos etc, so I’m not going to destroy them now, and I hope that I will have the opportunity to do so as a much older woman. But if I don’t, I hope that those who survive me have enough integrity to respect my privacy.

It’s this.

All your replies have given me a lot to think about and insight into why people might read rather than destroy.

I think I’m going to get rid of the journals that have my personal writings.

But I will keep the rest.

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FancyJapflack · 13/01/2024 13:12

It’s a great idea for a prank though.

Its totally the sort of thing my youngest DS would appreciate given that we both have a dark verging on inappropriate sense of humour 😂

”You’re adopted………

JUST JOKING! I bloody KNEW you wouldn’t be able to resist, you nosy git! Hahahahahahaaaah!”

ChizzleMeNizzzle · 13/01/2024 13:15

SheFliesLikeABirdInTheSky · 13/01/2024 13:10

Exactly this. Provocative and attention-seeking, to keep something, and say DO NOT READ. Wink Of course people are going to read it. 😆

Spot on. I'd read it. I may regret it, but I'd still do it.

Fionaville · 13/01/2024 13:15

I would get my DH to take a peep and make sure it wasn't something porn/sex related (I wouldnt want to know my dead loved ones kinks.) If it wasn't I'd check what it was. Diaries, I wouldn't read, but I'd seal the box and leave it to decide what to do with in the future. Anything official looking or something that could be a family related secret, I'd read.

SirVixofVixHall · 13/01/2024 13:15

VenusClapTrap · 13/01/2024 10:12

I think I would put it away somewhere safe and try to forget about it. Just in case something cropped up in the future that meant questions needed answering. There must be a reason the deceased didn’t destroy it themselves.

I would probably do this too.
My Grandmother kept a diary all her life, and burnt it a week before her (unexpected) death. My Dad was pretty sad about that, not out of nosiness, but the record going on into the future.
I have all my parents’ love letters. I haven’t read them, but I treasure them and will pass them on to my daughters.

midnightfeastfeats · 13/01/2024 13:16

It’s a great idea for a prank though.

Its totally the sort of thing my youngest DS would appreciate given that we both have a dark verging on inappropriate sense of humour 😂

”You’re adopted………

JUST JOKING! I bloody KNEW you wouldn’t be able to resist, you nosy git! Hahahahahahaaaah!

@FancyJapflack that sounds like a romcom plot where the sheet is folded in half and the person traumatised by the news drops the note paper to the floor never reads the 'just joking' bit and flees to wander the world in trauma until he meets a carefree beautiful young woman on a beach in Thailand who gives him hope and love. They return back to the house where his kindly aunt passes him the unfolded paper and says' you dropped this'. He reads it and starts to laugh. THE END.

Izzy24 · 13/01/2024 13:20

porridgeisbae · 13/01/2024 11:19

I'd have to have a look :) But if a loved one found my diaries it would distress them.

And this. So will get rid .

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Izzy24 · 13/01/2024 13:24

sammylady37 · 13/01/2024 11:27

Christ, this isn’t a complex topic.

Someone can write ‘destroy without reading’ at any point, while hoping that they will live many more decades and continue to have the pleasure of the items themselves for those decades, and then actually destroy them before their death. But in the event of sudden death/incapacitating illness preventing them from doing so, they have left instructions which hopefully their survivors will have the integrity to honour. I’m not going to throw away precious things now in my 40s and deprive myself of the pleasure of them just in case I develop dementia in 20/30 years time. So I’ve done exactly that, marked them to be destroyed without reading, hopefully I’ll be destroying them myself in the distant future but if not, those dealing with my affairs know my wishes and I can only hope they honour them.

Edited

Yes exactly this.

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