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To divorce him over cookies?!?!

378 replies

Thecookiecrazylady · 10/01/2024 10:12

This has happened this morning and is tbh he norm if I ever ask him to get me stuff. Last time he told me they didn’t have wholemeal bread in Sainsbury’s so I jumped in the car and ofc they had an entire end aisle he’d just not looked.

Me: can you grab me some of the chocolate chip cookies in a brownish yellow bag from the free from section while you’re at Sainsburys. If they don’t have them that’s fine but if they do 👍🏻
Him: yeah no problem

Me:… what are those?
Him: your cookies
Me: No they’re not. I said brown/yellow bag these are in a bright purple box.
Him: they didn’t have the others
Me: but these ones aren’t dairy free
Him: yes they are
Me: it says ‘all butter’ on the box they’re just gluten free
Him: give them to the kids 🤷‍♀️ (kids won’t eat them)
Me: You just don’t even care do you? Can’t even make a basic effort to listen, give me a ring to check…or at least read the damn box to check whatever alternative you’re buying is safe for me.
Him: YOU SAID BROWN AND PURPLE BAG
Me: PURPLE NEVER LEFT MY MOUTH ONCE NEVER STOP GAS LIGHTING ME YOU ALWAYS DO THIS!
Him: I thought I had the right bloody ones!
Me: No you didn’t you literally answered ‘they didn’t have them’ when I asked about the brown bag ones. You knew you were buying an alternative and you didn’t even bother to check it was safe or check with me I wanted it. I didn’t even care about the cookies that much it’s just the way you behave. You are never wrong, you don’t give a crap and you turn everything around on me and it’s always my problem.

Ok it’s not just over cookies it’s a very ingrained pattern of ‘IDGAF’ behaviour that always gets turned around on me. Words put in my mouth, him claiming I said or did things I didn’t. For context I do all our shopping and make a huge effort to meet his very particular requirements, even going to multiple supermarkets for items. I care if he’s happy. The only reason I wasn’t doing this supermarket run myself was because I’m poorly.

OP posts:
DriftingDora · 13/01/2024 16:57

Cherrysoup · 13/01/2024 10:50

Dear god. It isn’t about the bloody cookies!

They just don't get it, do they? Tunnel vision.

Fedupwithitalll · 13/01/2024 17:10

I don't think you are being unreasonable at all. It is hurtful and if this is constant it will bring you down. I think it can be fixed, if he wants it to be fixed. Like others have said marriage counselling. My husband and I married young and was very similar. It took a few years but when I nearly left my husband finally go it. He grew up in a house hold where no one apologised and it showed! He was also inconsiderate of my feelings. We both had things to address in the ways we behaved and finally got through it and things are good now. But he needs to want to address it to. Tell him you want counselling (or their are things you can look up online and work through together if money is an issue.) We didn't have counselling but we did this by researching etc, plus my psych degrees helped. It is doable. But don't put up with it if he won't even entertain trying to change or listen to you. Hugs to you though as I know how much this hurts ❤️

Suburbitonian · 13/01/2024 17:58

Pixiedust1234 · 12/01/2024 19:41

@Suburbitonian
You sound like you are unable to read and comprehend her posts and it's you thats coming across as dreadful.

Reading between the lines "lives depend on his attention to detail" - he's a doctor making life/death decisions... or similar occupation - together with the stress/emotions that job has.
You would think a fecking doctor would understand the harm of OP eating food he knows she's allergic to, wouldn't you. At the very least surely? Otherwise I pity his patients with his lack of care and medical knowledge.

Then your only interactions are moaning about cookies, rather than big picture stuff?
Oh the irony is strong in this one 🙄

OP knows which cookies she can/cannot eat. If she sees bad cookies, she doesn't eat them. If she sees nice cookies she does eat them. It's not rocket science, do not try and make it a life/death scenario. It's not.

Let's say OP's husband is a doctor and does deal with lots of very difficult situations. He frames the problem of "I bought the wrong cookies" alongside everything else he had to deal with that day/week. At the same time, he doesn't want to load his wife with the emotional baggage that comes with being a doctor.

His internal dialogue - Yeah. Cookies. A woman died today, leaving children without their mother.

Very strong "first world problem" vibes and all Mumsnetters can do is goad her into considering divorce because of some inattention.

Maybe it's his way of hinting OP should skip the cookies🤷‍♂️

The point about big stuff was beyond your understanding. OP is unhappy about lots of things, including cookies. Instead of telling us about it - tell him. See a marriage counselor. Arrange date night. Spend time together. Talking to the witches coven will not help

SomeCatFromJapan · 13/01/2024 18:00

@itsonlysubterfuge I have a diagnosis of autism, which is why the comment irked me so much.

SomeCatFromJapan · 13/01/2024 18:01

At the same time, he doesn't want to load his wife with the emotional baggage that comes with being a doctor.

OP hasn't confirmed he's a doctor though. He could be an air traffic controller or something. Most of them don't witness a single death in their entire career!

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 13/01/2024 19:27

Suburbitonian · 13/01/2024 17:58

OP knows which cookies she can/cannot eat. If she sees bad cookies, she doesn't eat them. If she sees nice cookies she does eat them. It's not rocket science, do not try and make it a life/death scenario. It's not.

Let's say OP's husband is a doctor and does deal with lots of very difficult situations. He frames the problem of "I bought the wrong cookies" alongside everything else he had to deal with that day/week. At the same time, he doesn't want to load his wife with the emotional baggage that comes with being a doctor.

His internal dialogue - Yeah. Cookies. A woman died today, leaving children without their mother.

Very strong "first world problem" vibes and all Mumsnetters can do is goad her into considering divorce because of some inattention.

Maybe it's his way of hinting OP should skip the cookies🤷‍♂️

The point about big stuff was beyond your understanding. OP is unhappy about lots of things, including cookies. Instead of telling us about it - tell him. See a marriage counselor. Arrange date night. Spend time together. Talking to the witches coven will not help

Did you happen to miss the part where she's allergic to the cookies he brought her home? Luckily she's got a dairy allergy and not a deathly peanut allergy. But say she did. Would him applying the same lack of care about whether she could eat them and bringing home something with her allergen in be acceptable to you then?

And what if he's not a doctor? What if he's something responsible but much lower paid like a PCSO? Would him wasting money buy cookies no one will eat be acceptable? Even if he's a consultant at the top of his pay grade, why is it acceptable for him to waste food and money because he couldn't take two seconds to look? Because the poor man had a big day?

You'll find female doctors are completely capable of doing their job and then also looking after their family. Why does the same expectation not apply to male doctors in your mind? Lack of a vagina?

Raxacoricofallapatorian · 13/01/2024 20:55

Luckily she's got a dairy allergy and not a deathly peanut allergy.

Milk allergy can kill (especially in children) and peanut allergy can be mild.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 13/01/2024 21:20

AsIseeit · 13/01/2024 09:57

@Kosenrufugirl I wholeheartedly agree. Good relationships are sustained on communication, compromise and mutual respect. Where there are issues it's vital to say what is unacceptable and, as long as neither partner attempts to gaslight or employ DARVO tactics then a relationship can be repaired if it is worth saving.
It's possible some people here will say this is "stupid" or label me a "doormat" or "a time traveller from the 1950s" for such is the level of toxicity in the comments on this thread. I have managed to have a very happy relationship for 30+ years however, because both of us stuck at dealing with the difficulties and didn't walk away at the first sign of anything less than perfect.
And yes, before the inevitable pile on, OP's husband would really need a lot of work on his appalling attitude and behaviour and that is IF he is prepared to change. He might not be.

as long as neither partner attempts to gaslight or employ DARVO tactics

Which OP's husband already did. Re-read your own posts whilst keeping in mind that he has already used DARVO and perhaps you might understand the anger that I've expressed to you.

He has denied buying the wrong biscuits, attacked her by accusing her of telling him the wrong thing, and made himself the victim and her, for whom those biscuits are poison, the offender.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 13/01/2024 21:28

Suburbitonian · 13/01/2024 17:58

OP knows which cookies she can/cannot eat. If she sees bad cookies, she doesn't eat them. If she sees nice cookies she does eat them. It's not rocket science, do not try and make it a life/death scenario. It's not.

Let's say OP's husband is a doctor and does deal with lots of very difficult situations. He frames the problem of "I bought the wrong cookies" alongside everything else he had to deal with that day/week. At the same time, he doesn't want to load his wife with the emotional baggage that comes with being a doctor.

His internal dialogue - Yeah. Cookies. A woman died today, leaving children without their mother.

Very strong "first world problem" vibes and all Mumsnetters can do is goad her into considering divorce because of some inattention.

Maybe it's his way of hinting OP should skip the cookies🤷‍♂️

The point about big stuff was beyond your understanding. OP is unhappy about lots of things, including cookies. Instead of telling us about it - tell him. See a marriage counselor. Arrange date night. Spend time together. Talking to the witches coven will not help

If he can make such a mistake about a food allergy, I don't trust him as a doctor.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 13/01/2024 21:31

CHRIS003 · 13/01/2024 15:21

You seem to see your parents happy long marriage as something negative ?
Did they not give you a happy childhood?

I doubt that that poster's mum is happy.

Millions of new widows each year take up new hobbies and social groups because they finally have the time to.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 13/01/2024 21:37

itsonlysubterfuge · 13/01/2024 15:43

@SomeCatFromJapan I'm not sure if that comment was directed at me or not.

People that are autistic think differently than neurotypical people and all people in general don't think the same. If someone is Autistic it changes how you might perceive the situation and their behaviour.

It's easier for a NT person to make accommodations, then the other way around. I can change the way I communicate, but it's more difficult for my husband.

Yes, it can be frustrating, but that doesn't make him selfish.

I'm autistic and I so far have managed to cook entire gluten- and dairy-free cakes for bake sales and bought food for my dairy-allergic stbxbil without poisoning anyone.

It's not hard for someone with driving-legal eyesight to read a food wrapper. The allergens are even conveniently highlighted with bold text.

Nanny0gg · 13/01/2024 21:54

CHRIS003 · 13/01/2024 10:27

Finally - someone else on here who gets what I have been trying to say !
There are so many posters on here who take these 'small things' In a relationship and blow them out of all proportion. No wonder there are so many unhappy couples out there. One women cried because her husband left some chilli flakes on the worktop and didn't put the recycling in the right bin, he made food for himself and didn't ask her and the kids if they wanted any. She said he wasn't a decent person - I replied and asked if she had actually asked him to make something for her and the kids - did she make it known to him that she was wanted to eat too - and also did she tell him to clean the kitchen worktop next time - meaning tell him in a jokey way use humour - but I don't think I made this clear on my post - Apparently she thinks her husband is not a decent person because he did this and lots of posters agreed with her - how on earth do these people get from a small issue over meal making to him not being a decent person ? As for the OP - she could have waited until next shop and bought them herself really it was only biscuits - what on earth is she teaching their kids having a go at her husband over packet of biscuits. How would she deal with a serious crisis in her life fgs ?

Please tell me you're a bloke?

Because you are so missing the point (deliberately?)

And you had full and complete answers as to why your posts were very wrong - as you constantly made it the woman's job. In your eyes it wasn't the man's responsibility. After all, why should he think that his children might need feeding at lunchtime?

Nanny0gg · 13/01/2024 21:56

CHRIS003 · 13/01/2024 11:28

Same here - been together happily for 30+ years and agree with what you say in this post - give and take on both sides and I would add humour too! It does sound like couples today forget that small issues can be dealt by having a sense of humour - how different this op situation would have been if she had simply laughed it off. That's what I would have done !

Hilarious

Nanny0gg · 13/01/2024 22:02

CHRIS003 · 13/01/2024 11:28

Same here - been together happily for 30+ years and agree with what you say in this post - give and take on both sides and I would add humour too! It does sound like couples today forget that small issues can be dealt by having a sense of humour - how different this op situation would have been if she had simply laughed it off. That's what I would have done !

Love to hear your other-half's view

And there is nothing funny about your partner ignoring your requests because they don't care.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 13/01/2024 22:09

minou123 · 13/01/2024 15:47

Ignore that poster.

Either:

  • they lack reading and comprehension skills
Or
  • find it funny to purposefully wind people up

It's sad, I feel sorry for them

The education system has let them down so badly or they have such unhappy lives, winding people up on an Internet forum is entertaining to them.

Option three: CHRIS003 is the OP's DH...

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 13/01/2024 22:11

CHRIS003 · 13/01/2024 11:28

Same here - been together happily for 30+ years and agree with what you say in this post - give and take on both sides and I would add humour too! It does sound like couples today forget that small issues can be dealt by having a sense of humour - how different this op situation would have been if she had simply laughed it off. That's what I would have done !

"Laugh it off". Because buying someone food that will make them ill is sooo funny...

SequentialAnalyst · 13/01/2024 22:12

Nanny0gg · 13/01/2024 21:56

Hilarious

Edited because quoted wrong poster

Correction: CHRIS003 · Today 11:28

Same here - been together happily for 30+ years and agree with what you say in this post - give and take on both sides and I would add humour too! It does sound like couples today forget that small issues can be dealt by having a sense of humour - how different this op situation would have been if she had simply laughed it off. That's what I would have done !

In other words your relationship is completely different to OP's. So it's irrelevant - OP's bloke has no sense of humour, anyway, it seems.

DriftingDora · 14/01/2024 09:40

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 13/01/2024 22:11

"Laugh it off". Because buying someone food that will make them ill is sooo funny...

This poster should be ignored. They are either the DH himself or they are completely lacking in any reading ability and comprehension skills (or possibly all of these things!).

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 14/01/2024 12:31

Raxacoricofallapatorian · 13/01/2024 20:55

Luckily she's got a dairy allergy and not a deathly peanut allergy.

Milk allergy can kill (especially in children) and peanut allergy can be mild.

I know that. I was describing extremes to make a point to a particularly facetious poster who thinks buying someone food they're allergic to is fine because poor man had a hard day at his work.

Raxacoricofallapatorian · 14/01/2024 12:59

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 14/01/2024 12:31

I know that. I was describing extremes to make a point to a particularly facetious poster who thinks buying someone food they're allergic to is fine because poor man had a hard day at his work.

Fine, but not everyone reading your post will know it. It's a common misconception that nut or peanut (or maybe shellfish) allergies are the really serious ones, and other food allergies aren't so much of a big deal. That misconception can put people at risk, so I felt it worth saying.

BigFatCat2024 · 14/01/2024 14:48

Starzinsky · 11/01/2024 07:48

Men are not great at this sort of thing. Fine you want to move on but don't expect the next guy you meet to be any better.

Ffs raise your bar. Men are just as capable of these things as women

BizzyMcWhizzFace · 14/01/2024 18:06

Crafthead · 12/01/2024 18:29

If it was me I'd just go shopping myself and get the right stuff. Men are always shite shoppers. They just don't pay good attention, and buy themselves treats instead of vegetables and toilet roll. Just give him one of your jobs to make up for it.

DH does the food shopping in our house. Also cooking. Turns out men aren't always shite shoppers. He's been doing it for 2 decades and none of us is dead.

ProtectMotherNature · 15/01/2024 14:36

Sounds a tad like psychological abuse to me 🤔

Mainats · 15/01/2024 16:50

ithinkicanithinkican · 11/01/2024 09:49

This is so familiar, I could have written something very similar to the OP myself. It's part of the reason I will be getting divorced in 2024.

One of the other things I'm looking forward to leaving behind is this scenario (for context, we've been together for 12 years):
H buys me something I don't like, which he knows I don't like, as we have had that conversation many times before.
Me: thanks for the thought but I don't really like that
H: hurty feelz face, clearly I am a mean and ungrateful cow and it's his sad lot to be married to me
Me: realty tired of the sense that I am supposed to be grateful for his 'thoughtfulness'

This is also a man who has run his own business with multiple offices and staff. Perfectly capable.

My situation is identical. The other day my husband asked me if I wanted a sandwich. I've spent 20 years telling him I hate sandwiches. Each instance seems to trivial, but it adds up to a mountain. And yes, mine runs a business too.

Mainats · 15/01/2024 17:03

CHRIS003 · 11/01/2024 11:20

Did you ask him to make you and the kids something to eat ?
That's the point - men are not mind readers. Yes he should have cleaned up.
Gentle reminder to him - next time you are cooking could you please ask me if I want anything too. Oh and by the way - could you please make sure you don't get chilli flakes everywhere- if you spill something wipe it up - include your kids in this too if they old enough no need to shout and turn in to anything major !
Why are you saying he is not a decent person if he doesn't do these things - your response says a lot about how stressful you are making life for yourself within the family

Yeah, Chris, clearly you haven't lived with a man like the DH of @RecycleMePlease .

Gentle reminder to him - next time you are cooking could you please ask me if I want anything too.

He'll ignore it.

Oh and by the way - could you please make sure you don't get chilli flakes everywhere- if you spill something wipe it up.

He'll get mardy and resentful that you even mentioned it, then ignore it and carry on as usual.

Why are you saying he is not a decent person if he doesn't do these things

Because decent people don't ignore their partner's needs and wishes.

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