To think it's tragic if Michael Jackson was indeed innocent

[pregahes]

It's a real shame for someone who created incredible music to have their legacy at risk. It’s just tragic, considering the impact his music had on so many. It's tragic either way, if he's guilty for the victims and if he's innocent for himself.

I'm a huge fan and at one point t thought he was guilty but kore recently change of heart. I think there would be more victims if he weee in fact guilty. Somethings doesnt add up.

It's tragic

Correct - people CAN and ARE also accused of crimes they didn't commit. Some might prefer to believe it doesn't happen, but that just means perception isn't the same thing as reality. 🤔

As reductive as it sounds it’s all awfully bad timing - if they’d reported him when he was alive he’d be in prison. If he was alive now he’d be in prison.

His death saved his reputation

I'm so sorry about my stance earlier in the thread, especially sorry to @KarenNotAKaren. I honestly did not know all that was seized at his ranch.

http://www.mjfacts.com/items-found-in-1993-pedophile-books-and-naked-photos/

Bearing in mind that the books, like the Boys Will Be Boys book were in a locked filing cabinet, that MJ claimed weren’t his except he had inscribed them 🙄.

Fair play to you, @StopTheQtipWhenTheresResistance

I see @ForTonightGodisaDJ has slunk off into the undergrowth….

With wacko jacko it was lie after lie .

I bore my own children by telling them if they get creepy vibes about someone then they don’t need to be polite or kind, they should leave.

I find MJ in this clip intensely creepy. His facial expressions, that smile. I don’t see a child-like man, maybe his fans do?

@nolongersurprised The way he first answers with that smile and a long "yeeessss". The clip is just short of him rubbing his hands together.

Theyll be back to say:

• the pictures weren’t child sexual abuse, they were ART and anyone who thinks otherwise is dodgy (even though the editor and photographer were also paedophiles)

• they were pictures of the lost boyhood MJ never had

• children have an intrinsic sensuality and that’s why it’s ok to take pictures of them naked (I’ve heard this used as a justification for child sexual abuse pictures before)

I know I sound dramatic, but reading your posts makes my heart literally sink to my shoes.

Did anyone note that among all that abhorrent collection was a bag with "bloodied bed linens" in it?

Bloodied bed linens.

@StopTheQtipWhenTheresResistance It's a hell of a case, there was a lot going on, i'm glad you see some of what I have seen all along.

No @Catsmere I did not see that! What the actual fuck? I wonder if that blood was ever dna tested and matched to anyone.

Of course it would be

but it’s purely hypothetical as we don’t and won’t ever know if he was

I believe the victims. Also there may only be two victims because the others were paid off in return for silence

Wow I didn’t realise that!

@Catsmere Yes! I saw that too and thought what the heck? Kind of ties up with what WR and JS were saying.

I think you're in the Innocent Camp aren't you?

It was @ForTonightGodisaDJ who said she (?) doesn't give a shit, not the posters who think he was a peadophile.

No apology necessary - it’s nice to see you have listened and taken on what people have said, fair play to you.

I knew he had “art books” but the bloodied bed sheets in a bag - wow that really turned my stomach.

Erm no, I think you have completely got the wrong end of the stick. He's as guilty as fuck and deserves to rot in hell. I was replying in conversation about @ForTonightGodisaDJ

@KarenNotAKaren Thank you, I appreciate that. I didn't know about the bloodied bedsheets either until I read that article. This man should have been convicted, it's all wrong.

He really did manage to pull the wool over some people's eyes with his creepy put on child like voice pretending that he was just making up for his lost childhood

Repulsive man

Neither do I. He looks like a deformed man affecting the mannerisms of a toddler.Z it’s creepy.

I remember watching the documentary in my late teens with my BF at the time, a huge MJ fan who was utterly charmed by him. I was sickened by the documentary and I remember we fell out about it.

I’ve never seen that whole list - just reference to individual items. 🤯

It is mind-bending to me that those findings did not trigger social services (equivalent) investigation in 1993 and a total ban on MJ having kids to the house, or adopting them. He got round that ultimately by surrogacy and sperm donation.

I never read about it at the time, so I haven't seen their accounts or the trial details or anything. I disliked the man for years (it was that terrifying face after all the plastic surgery) and wasn't into his music, so wasn't invested in the "but Michael must be innocent!" idea. The very idea of having a ranch called Neverland was creepy to me - James Barrie was another seriously suspicious man.